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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: AZ
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Im having a hard time with eating proper nutrition (balanced) meals the training is easier. the most trouble is the balanced part,the right amount of carbs, protien, fat in each meal. im trying to shred as much body fat as possible, while trying to keep what mucsle i have. i cam across the spiz drink it sounds like what i need. i plan on drinking 2 per day breakfast, and lunch then eat a sensible dinner. has anyone here used it or have thru knowlege of this stuff? what about long term use? here is a link with some info on it http://www.bikemania.biz/ProductDet...e=BikeScorSpliz
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Huntsville, AL
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An OK diet plan, since it includes 20 gms of high-quality protein. It's convenient, and portion-controlled. (Personally, I think real food is better, but understand not everyone wants to take time to shop and prepare it). But, if 10 servings of powder costs $29, this stuff seems very expensive for what you're getting. GNC or your local health food store probably has something similar for less. Or the grocery. My wife drinks a Slim-Fast every morning for breakfast, and that contains 220 calories, 10 gms protein, 40 gms carbo, plus the vitamins and minerals. Two cans would be pretty close to the Spiz serving....for less than $1. And, it comes mixed. |
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thanks for your input DHK, what about the sugar content of slimfast? isnt loaded with sugar? i use to drink it for recovery drink
till i heard how much sugar was in it im bad at label reading. also im aiming for around 150- 160 grms protien a day sems hard to get eating food. yes the spiz is expensive at 3 bucks a drink but right now im just short of hiring a nutrition expert, short of go shop for me and cook my food now thats expensive. ill look at gnc and other stores for somthing comparable good idea. |
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I haven't used any of this stuff for many years, but may get back to it as a source of high-quality protein. Twinlab seem to have many choices for either a mixed powder of carb/protein, or straight carb fuels along with pure protein supplements. Lots of online sources for discounts as well.
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well i decided to order this stuff, ill post results after i use it for a month or so, heres more info on spiz.
SPIZ is a scientifically blended formulation of carbohydrates, proteins, fatty acids, vitamins and minerals that is mixed with water. In essence, it is a complete liquid food source developed to fuel the human engine during times of illness, stress, exercise and/or increased caloric need. Specifically, it is being used by endurance athletes (cyclists, runners, triathletes, etc.), cancer and AIDS patients as well as geriatric folks trying to maintain or increase lean body mass. The superiority of SPIZ comes from both the correct ratio of ingredients as well as the sources of these ingredients. The following is an explanation of what's in SPIZ, why and how to use it. 1. Hydrolyzed Whey Protein Concentrate First, whey protein concentrate (WPC) is the highest-quality currently available in supplemental form, although many people think egg white protein is the highest quality, it isn't WPC is. Second, hydrolyzed WPC is WPC that has been partially broken down so that it is more readily assimilated by the body. This is especially beneficial to the athlete who is taking the product during exercise when the digestive system is not functioning at full capacity. Third, most products contain just carbohydrates when in reality the body does utilize protein for energy during exercise, up to 15% of total energy expenditure. Protein is also very important after exercise for not only protein metabolism, but also glycogen resynthesis. Fourth, branched chain amino acids-(BCAA's) have documented anabolic effects (promoting muscular growth) as well as anti-catabolic activity (preventing muscle breakdown). SPIZ has a high concentration of BCAA-to-tryptophan, which compete with each other to cross the blood-brain barrier. Keeping brain trytophan levels down will reduce brain serotonin levels, preventing CNS-induced fatigue and promoting a wakeful state. SPIZ has over 4 grams of BCAA per serving which creates both a "protein sparing" effect at the muscle cell level and a "glycogen sparing effect" as well. 1. Chelated Minerals are the most bioavailable form of minerals currently available as well as being the most expensive. SPIZ contains only the highest quality chelated minerals from the most well respected name in mineral manufacturers, Albion Laboratories. 3. 100% US Daily Values for vitamins per serving (except for vitamin D) Including 100% of the US Daily Values for the antioxidants, vitamin E, and Beta-carotene, which can help protect the body from the potentially damaging effects of free radicals. These highly-reactive substances are formed during exercise and can cause damage to the human body. In fact, these free radicals are believed to be integral to the aging process itself, as well as in the development of cancer and heart disease. The body utilizes various vitamins at significant rates during exercise, in fact in direct proportion to exercise intensity. 100% of the US Daily Values of the entire B-Complex, which are intimately involved in energy production. In addition, each serving contains only 10% of the US RDA for vitamin D since this vitamin is a fat-soluble vitamin that is not only stored in the body, but which can be synthesized through sufficient sunlight exposure, which most athletes are exposed to on a daily basis. Extra Vitamin C (501 mg/serving) for stress or exercise-induced oxidation. 4. Short, and long-chain glucose polymers, along with smaller amounts of sugars in order to energize the exercising individual with a supply of both long and short-acting carbohydrates 5. L-Glutamine has been added to the formula for the following reasons: Conditionally-essential amino acid, meaning that the human body cannot manufacture enough L-glutamine during certain conditions and must therefore obtain this amino acid from the diet. One of those conditions appears to be stress, such as that resulting from physical exercise. Helps maintain blood sugar levels which can be very important in maintaining energy levels during exercise. Considered to be the "thinkers" amino acid, as it can help maintain concentration and focus during exercise. Has been shown to be the most important amino acid in regulating muscle protein synthesis. Consequently, according to research, if muscle glutamine levels are decreased (which is a normal occurrence in exercise), muscle protein synthesis is reduced. Conversely, if muscle glutamine levels can be maintained or increased, then muscle protein synthesis occurs in direct proportion to muscle glutamine level, an issue very important to proper recovery. 6. High sodium/potassium concentration Sodium and potassium losses lead to Hypomatremia and less frequently in long-distance athletes, Hypokalemia. High intakes of sodium and potassium prevent this electrolyte disturbance. Sodium is a "carrier" molecule which serves to facilitate the transfer of glucose and amino acids into the bloodstream across the intestinal wall. Hence, high sodium concentrations promote faster absorption of nutrients during exercise, an important factor as, GI blood distribution is reduced. How to use SPIZ Each SPIZ container has a 50cc scooper in it. You have the ability to experiment or change the concentration of SPIZ by using 2, 3, 4, or 5 scoops/22 or 28 ounce water bottle. This corresponds to 250, 375, 500 or 750 calories/bottle respectively when mixed with water. No product works perfectly for everyone! SPIZ allows you the flexibility of finding out what caloric concentration works best for you based on your body size, metabolic rate, exercise intensity and temperature conditions. Smaller, lighter folks may require 250 or 375 calories every 60-90 minutes of exercise while large athletes will need 500 to 750 calories. Likewise, a more dilute solution can be used in hot water when hydration becomes more important. SPIZ also eliminates the need for a different pre-workout or "recovery" product, as well as the need for gels, bars, and weak electrolyte drinks. Everything and more is included in SPIZ. Use SPIZ at full strength 1-1½ hours pre-workout or pre-competition, every 60-120 minutes at your pre-selected concentration during and 1-2 full strength servings immediately after exercise. For cancer and AIDS patients, 5 servings/day will provide 2500 calories of pre-digested food that is absorbed by the body with minimal metabolic effort and maximum nutritional delivery. Always mix and drink with cold water if possible for best results. Nutritional Information Nutrition Information per Serving Amount % Total Calories Serving Size (4 rounded scoops) 138 gms Servings per container 10 Calories 500 Protein 20 gms 16 % Carbohydrates 96 gms 77 % Fat 4 gms 7 % Vitamins: Water Soluable Vitamins Vitamin C 501 mg 835 % B-Complex Vitamin B1 (thiamine) 1.5 mg 102 % Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) 1.7 mg 103 % Vitamin B3 (niacin) 20.3 mg 101 % Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid) 9.9 mg 99 % Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) 1.97 mg 99 % Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) 6.0 mcg 101 % Folic Acid (folate) 389 mcg 97 % Biotin 294 mcg 98 % Fat Soluable Vitamins Vitamin A (beta carotene) 4950 IU 99 % Vitamin D (cholocalciferol) 37 IU 9 % Vitamin E (acetate) 29.4 IU 98 % Minerals: Potassium (chloride) 580 mg 17 % Sodium (chloride) 580 mg 24 % Calcium (citrate/malate) 180 mg 18 % Magnesium (glycinate) 49 mg 37 % Iron (glycinate) 6.6 mg 37 % Zinc (glycinate) 1.5 mg 10 % Copper (glycinate) 0.88 mg 44 % Maganese (glycinate) 0.32 mg 16 % Chromium (amino acid chelate) 20 mcg 17 % Iodine (potassium) 41.4 mcg 29 % Selenium (amino acid chelate) 7 mcg 10 % Molybdenum (glycinate) 10 mcg 13 % Phosphorus 350 mg 35 % Amino Acids: Alanine 1190 mg Methionine * 410 mg Arginine 730 mg Phenylalanine * 820 mg Aspartic Acid 2170 mg Proline 980 mg Cystine 480 mg Serine 910 mg Camitine 70 mg Taurine 30 mg Glutamine 5.5 grams Threonine * 1010 mg Glysine 570 mg Trytophan * 370 mg Histadine 440 mg Tyrosine 760 mg Isoleucine + + * 910 mg Valine + + * 960 mg Leucine + + * 2.36 grams Lysine * 1890 mg + + Branched Chain Amino Acid * Essential Amino Acid Related Products... SPIZ 4 Canister Special Our Price: $116.00 Add |
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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Sounds like the Cadillac of liquid supplements all right. I bet it will work great in your diet. Will look for your report back in a month.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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Spiz is fine. Take a look at Perpetum (e-caps) and tell me what you think.
Previous suggestion to use Slim Fast is pretty popular with the save a penny crowd. Reluctantly I'd give it a thumbs up if it were not for the sugar. |
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OK, had my first Slim Fast today right after a hard little ride. My wife doesn't like the Cappacino flavor, and I figured the 42 gms carb (35 gms of that sugar) with the 10 gms protein would be a good quick recovery. Agree, that stuff is sticky-sweet! I had to rinse with Listerine to get the sugar taste out of my mouth. They obviously blend it to appeal to sugar/choco junkies...not athletic types. |
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: AZ
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The taste of Spiz is pretty good choc flavor, taste like hershey choc milk.
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Aubenas, France
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As long as the supplements are not contaminated and you want to use them, then go for it!
Some people think they are a waste of money - they can run with that. Fresh fruit, vegetables, fish and meat are not exactly that cheap! A can of tuna is about $3 AUS, then the bread is marginal, and some dressing, salad mix is about $10 per kg etc. It all adds up. Paying $2.50 for a serve of Leppin Endurance which contains the same amount of protein/carbs (35/35) as tuna and bread (65g tin/2 slices) doesn't seem that bad. When you have both you win twice! I can consume twice the calories for much less discomfort. I have found some products are disgusting, some make feel sluggish, but Leppin works so I will continue to use it. As long as you like it there is no reason not to bolster your nutrient intake with a different food source. |
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