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The cops admit selective policing, sorry for length:
"Ralph Smyth asked DP how many FPNs had been issued to motorists. DP replied that no FPNs had been issued to motorists as part of Op Alto." Below are the minutes of the City Police Road Safety Forum which took place in February of this year. Sorry for the delay in forwarding and adding some comments, first below then in square brackes in the minutes further down.. The point which seems to have rekindled the red light "debate" on this egroup has been wrongly reported: City Police did not issue FPNs (penalties) to drivers during their operation because they were concentrating on cyclists and NOT because no drivers were observed breaking the law. The claim in the police powerpoint that cyclists jumping lights was one of the main causes of cyclists being injured is incorrect - see the stat's on the City Cyclists website. Further the police seem to be ignoring most of the offences which take place by focusing only on some of the specific offences created in legislation (e.g. obeying traffic signals but they tend to ignore zebra crossings) and ignoring the general offences of driving (or cycling) dangerously/without due care/ inconsiderately. The cyclists who call for more targetting of drivers breaching ASLs as a response to the proposed campaign against cyclists - in some sort of tit-for-tat enforcement war - are really missing the point. These short campaigns are not going to change hearts and minds of drivers and cyclists and will just produce "regression to mean" within a month or so, i.e. the number of contraventions will gradually return to previous levels. I have some more comments and background which I'll forward later. Regards Ralph ======= City of London Road Safety Forum – 6th February 2008 MINUTES Panel Members Superintendent Lorraine Cussen – COLP (LC) Inspector Dave Aspinall – COLP (DA) Sergeant Dave Prashner – COLP (DP) Police Constable Antony Wolfson – COLP (AW) Alan Rickwood – COLP (AR) Matthew Collins – COLC, Road Safety Team (MC) Simon Phillips – COLC, Policy Officer, Dept of Planning and Transport (SP) Unknown Cyclist Said that there were a minority of cyclists that gave the rest a bad name and that a crack down on them was needed. He asked whether we could have a summary of the recent Road Safety Campaign (Op Alto), run in January 2008. DP gave a brief summary of the operation, including the fact that 231 fixed penalty notices (FPNs) had been issued to cyclists. He also explained that a post operation survey of the junction of Cheapside and Queen Street had shown a significant reduction in the number of offences, when compared to prior to the operation. Ralph Smyth asked DP how many FPNs had been issued to motorists. DP replied that no FPNs had been issued to motorists as part of Op Alto. |
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spindrift wrote:
> The cops admit selective policing, sorry for length: No problem. I have snipped down to the bare essentials without losing sight of context. > "Ralph Smyth asked DP how many FPNs had been issued to motorists. > DP replied that no FPNs had been issued to motorists as part of Op > Alto." Is that the same as "no FPNs had been issued to motorists"? |
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