Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks

ComandanteBanana

Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...

NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.

That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
gutters and sidewalks.


WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

BIKE FOR PEACE
http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

"ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e09cfb36-654a-4f72-96fd-277ae5ce690c@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
> its bridges!

Ummm, if the rules say no riding on the bridge, then the lanes are probably
too narrow for cars to pass you safely. Are you seriously saying that you're
being treated like a second class citizen because you're expected to follow
the rules? Do you really think that you should be allowed to ride in the
road when cars cannot safely pass? If so, then you're begging to be hit, or
you think you should be allowed to inconvenience all the people in cars who
will be unable to pass you while on the bridge. I only ride on the bike
path, since all the roads here are FAR too busy. What's wrong with you?

donquijote1954

On Apr 14, 5:49 pm, <h> wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e09cfb36-654a-4f72-96fd-277ae5ce690c@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
> > on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
> > there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
> > was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
> > have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
> > insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
> > just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
> > its bridges!
>
> Ummm, if the rules say no riding on the bridge, then the lanes are probably
> too narrow for cars to pass you safely. Are you seriously saying that you're
> being treated like a second class citizen because you're expected to follow
> the rules? Do you really think that you should be allowed to ride in the
> road when cars cannot safely pass? If so, then you're begging to be hit, or
> you think you should be allowed to inconvenience all the people in cars who
> will be unable to pass you while on the bridge. I only ride on the bike
> path, since all the roads here are FAR too busy. What's wrong with you?

Sorry, but you should have asked how many lanes there were and how
much traffic there was before you sided with Goliath...

There were two lanes each way, with only light traffic. Saturday
morning, remember? It's bicycle day out there, kind of.

But, YES, I'm stating cyclists in America are second class citizens.
Worse, it's not only their dignity, but their own survival that is
threaten.

I was first TAKING THE LANE (sitting wherever I want in the bus) and
the police waved me to move over. Other cyclists were either walking
their bikes or riding them on the sidewalk, meaning they were OK in
the eyes of the police. ("Do what you want, just don't bother cars.")

Second I was blasted by another vehicle while still taking the lane.
And then the third incident came when I moved to the right, but the
guy thought I didn't have the right to be there either.

Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.

Gunner Asch

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:12:13 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>gutters and sidewalks.


Based on the poor manners and arrogance of many bike riders here in
California..ignoring right of way, red lights, etc etc...Id be tickled
shitless if yall ride in the alleys. That way I dont have to worry
about some spandexed shitfor brains on a $5000 hitech geewhiz bicycle
running a red light and me adding him to the collection of dead birds,
road kill, bugs and so forth already stuck in the grill of my truck.

Btw...because yall ride a bike, makes you no more and no less special
than any other form of transporation and hardly makes you immune to
the laws of physics. Not to mention the Vehicle Code.....

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Gunner Asch

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954
<nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
>more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
>strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.


Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"

Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.


Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

PeteSig

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message :

> That way I dont have to worry
> about some spandexed shitfor brains on a $5000 hitech geewhiz bicycle
> running a red light and me adding him to the collection of dead birds,
> road kill, bugs and so forth already stuck in the grill of my truck.
>
> Btw...because yall ride a bike, makes you no more and no less special
> than any other form of transporation and hardly makes you immune to
> the laws of physics. Not to mention the Vehicle Code.....

Yes, the vehicle code.....

Maybe the code is different in the USA, but we have that bit about
"overtaking vehicles to keep clear"


--
Cheers
Peter

~~~ ~ _@
~~ ~ _- \,
~~ (*)/ (*)

Gunner Asch

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:40:23 GMT, "PeteSig" <petesig@bigpond.com>
wrote:

>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message :
>
>> That way I dont have to worry
>> about some spandexed shitfor brains on a $5000 hitech geewhiz bicycle
>> running a red light and me adding him to the collection of dead birds,
>> road kill, bugs and so forth already stuck in the grill of my truck.
>>
>> Btw...because yall ride a bike, makes you no more and no less special
>> than any other form of transporation and hardly makes you immune to
>> the laws of physics. Not to mention the Vehicle Code.....
>
>Yes, the vehicle code.....
>
>Maybe the code is different in the USA, but we have that bit about
>"overtaking vehicles to keep clear"

Can bicyclists run red lights as well in your neck of the woods, and
are immune to all rights of way and so forth?

I swear to Crom that its considered a mortal sin by bike riders to
ever come to a stop and actually put their foot to the ground.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Gunner Asch

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:47:42 +1000, Terryc
<newsthreespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

>
>> Gunner
>
>Any chance of doing the intelligent thing and plinking this guy?


If he is a bigger arsehole in his next post..Ill kill file his ass
just for you.

Hands across the water and all that eh wot?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

PeteSig

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news6f804hplgbt1ncfps5r9t691q7256j01c@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:40:23 GMT, "PeteSig" <petesig@bigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message :
>>
>>> That way I dont have to worry
>>> about some spandexed shitfor brains on a $5000 hitech geewhiz bicycle
>>> running a red light and me adding him to the collection of dead birds,
>>> road kill, bugs and so forth already stuck in the grill of my truck.
>>>
>>> Btw...because yall ride a bike, makes you no more and no less special
>>> than any other form of transporation and hardly makes you immune to
>>> the laws of physics. Not to mention the Vehicle Code.....
>>
>>Yes, the vehicle code.....
>>
>>Maybe the code is different in the USA, but we have that bit about
>>"overtaking vehicles to keep clear"
>
> Can bicyclists run red lights as well in your neck of the woods, and
> are immune to all rights of way and so forth?

Not at all. However I was referring to the problems drivers seemed to have
with the OP in overtaking him on a bridge with 2 lanes to choose from. Over
here, overtaking vehicles are required to keep clear.

Are they not in the USA?

--
Cheers
Peter

~~~ ~ _@
~~ ~ _- \,
~~ (*)/ (*)

Fulliautomatix

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off.


Yeah I know...this happened to me when I beeped at an idiot cyclist
jamming across the road in front of me

He yelled and carried on and I had to just drive off cos I thought he
going to hit me

Myal

Fulliautomatix wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off.
>
>
> Yeah I know...this happened to me when I beeped at an idiot cyclist
> jamming across the road in front of me
>
> He yelled and carried on and I had to just drive off cos I thought he
> going to hit me


ya need more guns , and the stones to use them

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 14, 9:54*pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954
>
> <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
> >more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
> >strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.
>
> Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"
>
> Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.

Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.

I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle. The world seems
to know it now too. It's evident in her foreign policies that she's
getting hungrier. And it's even more clear when you live inside and
you notice that the top predators want to have an SUV to show their
power and wealth --if not to impose their might...

However dinosaurs are not forever. Actually, the hungrier they get,
the quicker they exhaust the resources, and the quicker they
disappear. But they were not known for having big brains either.

Someone may ponder about that too.

Cheapo Groovo

In article <e09cfb36-654a-4f72-96fd-
277ae5ce690c@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com
says...
> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>
> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>
> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
> gutters and sidewalks.
>
>
> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
> http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> BIKE FOR PEACE
> http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>
Glad the debate is civil here. :-))

You won't be picking on bike riders much longer. When gas hits $4.50 a
gallon and the roads you drive are all foreign operated tollways!

The skyway is $3 one way, and the IN toll road costs 13 cents a mile w/o
the transponder.

http://www.cheapogroovo.com

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 15, 11:18*am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <e09cfb36-654a-4f72-96fd-
> 277ae5ce6...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com
> says...
>
>
>
> > Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
> > on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
> > there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
> > was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
> > have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
> > insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
> > just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
> > its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
> > with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
> > mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
> > blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>
> > NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
> > the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
> > the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
> > recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
> > like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
> > give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>
> > That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
> > into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
> > gutters and sidewalks.
>
> > WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
> >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> > BIKE FOR PEACE
> >http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>
> Glad the debate is civil here. :-))
>
> You won't be picking on bike riders much longer. When gas hits $4.50 a
> gallon and the roads you drive are all foreign operated tollways!
>
> The skyway is $3 one way, and the IN toll road costs 13 cents a mile w/o
> the transponder.
>
> http://www.cheapogroovo.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm not sure that's gonna squeeze the lions though. Just the wannabes
will feel the pinch.

I'll explain, the filthy rich won't care about the prices, but the
ones that today buy SUVs to look the part, will go down the drain.

Still it would be a welcome relief if 80% of the SUVs went the way of
the dinosuars...