EPO Tests

dw_moto

I have been looking for info on EPO test, concerning their accuracy. I came across several papers either disputing or supporting the EPO tests. There doesn't seem to be any consensus within the scientific community. We are lead to believe that these tests are black and white but that may not be the case.

Dick Pound seems to be saying that a test that may or may not be accurate is better then no test at all, but what if that test results in false positives? What do you guys think? (I guess this is a bit of a morality question) We want a level playing field but at what cost?

Here are some articles if you guys are interested but they are a little tedious.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/38295.php http://bloodjournal.hematologylibra...full/108/5/1778 http://bloodjournal.hematologylibra...ull/107/12/4711

cyclingheroes

Rutger Beke won his appeal after Belgian professors found out that the epo test can bring false positives.

http://www.triathlonweb.nl/twn/show...ieuws&ID=05,207

The study of the professor who found that out was published in several science magazines. Several WADA labs continue to use the epo test. Ghent is vary cautious since the Beke case. That might be the reason why the concluded that Mayo's B sample was inconclusive.

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poulidor

EPO tests requiert human interpretation, that is is its weakness.
At the time of Beke's case, it was better to say an inconclusive case...
but there is a probability that case was a use on "another" EPO like aranesp or dynepo or some chinese or russian EPO...
See also: http://bloodjournal.hematologylibra...ll/108/5/1778-a

snood

It is bullshit. Joris Delanghe said same about Genevieve Jeanson-http://veloptimum.net/courses/athle...ngheReport.html
Genevieve Jeanson admitted about EPO. Delanghe is another defending cyclists with bullshit. Writings in Blood Journal are not true. Don Catlin and Françoise Lasne wrote letters against Joris Delanghe.

Test for Mayo at Belgium was not conclusive because good gel is not easy.

TheDarkLord

Since we know that there are doctors who oversee doping programs, one question to ask is whether some of the publications are tainted by a conflict of interest. In other words, are there some doctors who are paid to publish about how some tests are inconclusive? I would imagine that it is reasonably easy to fool a layman with doctored results. The other thing one has to be careful about is that in the scientific community there will always be a small percentage of researchers who do not believe in the mainstream results. So one should be careful about coming to conclusions by just reading a few papers on the subject.

cyclingheroes

That's possible yes. But Ghent is very careful since the Beke case. Beke is demanding compensation.

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Bro Deal

I think I am cynical enough to go with Poulidor's explanation. He was probably taking one of the newer forms of EPO or the Chinese stuff or EPO-like dope that is slightly different bu still triggered the positive.

U.S. triathletes used to be competitive until the early to mid nineties they started to have a very hard time in global competition. The same thing happened in mountain biking. I suspect that there is quite a bit of doping going on in both those sports.

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snood

No. Look at your link. Different EPO have different patterns. Beke used same defense as Jeanson. No one believe it now.

Bro Deal

Translation please. Does that mean Beke was likely using another form of EPO?

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