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helmutRoole2

From VeloNews:

Dear Editor,
I, too, am still amazed at the self-righteousness and contrived certainty from some of your readers who have completely written off Tyler Hamilton, especially when there has always been much uncertainty about his case. (See Monday's Mailbag.)

I for one still have serious doubts about his guilt, especially after reading about the trail of errors in his lab reports during his trial, and after the fact that one of his three arbitrators dissented and decided he was innocent (as also happened in Floyd's case). As for his association with Operación Puerto, the evidence was not "quite credible and completely damning" as Perry Brown writes; in fact, Tyler was never even formally charged, nor presented with actual evidence against which he could mount a defense. Let's also remember that Puerto was in mid-2006, when Tyler was serving out his ban, so it seems strange to me that he would be doping while not competing.

But, I can't be certain, so I refrain from absolute claims of Tyler's innocence, just as I think those who want to string Tyler up should exercise restraint. Tyler was only found "guilty" through a highly specious process that has clear interests in covering its own ass and clinging to an illusion of infallibility. It occurs to me that riders like Tyler and Floyd are found guilty because it's much easier to write off a single rider than to admit the possibility that there is corruption and incompetence rife throughout the anti-doping establishment. Since there can be corruption throughout the military (Abu Ghraib), corruption throughout a corporation (Enron), corruption throughout police departments (take your pick), why couldn't there be corruption in an anti-doping organization?

Regardless, let's remember that this was a world-class rider who won countless races with grace and humility long before his questionable conviction, all while dutifully taking time to share his trials and tribulations in daily journal entries, opening himself up to the world. That and his (effectively) three years served for a crime he may have not committed should earn him at least a second chance. I support you, Tyler, and hope to cheer you on at the Tour of California in February.
Mark Radcliffe
Los Angeles, California

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Bro Deal

Someone help me understand people like this. Are they stupid? Are they completely naive about the sport? Are they gullible? Do they live in an alternate reality?

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fscyclist

He's probably a PR guy hired by Hamilton.

Bro Deal

I don't think Hamilton has the resources to hire a PR guy. It does read like someone close to him trying to rehabilitate his image., but you never know. If you go over to the Trust But Never Verify site, it's filled with the same type of B.S.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

helmutRoole2

How about this part:



Yeah, the one who he appointed.

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TheDarkLord

Well, this should not be too surprising considering that there are dudes like No_Positives in this forum. Hell, even wolfix keeps defending LA.

And common guys, some of you have had experience at DP forums, right? How many characters there are sitting and defending Floyd? Is it then really amazing that such people exist?

Cobblestones

Are you really surprised. I'm just doing my coffee break at work and another employee is ranting on and on about a CIA-9/11 conspiracy.

People are gullible and believe what they want to believe never mind any evidence to the contrary. At a X-mas party another colleague of mine was going on and on about FL and the French. He claimed the French were going after FL to get at LA and if he had just spilled the beans they would've let him go free. (I'm sure lot's of people wish FL would 'fess up, but I can't imagine he'd go free. For starters, Jaksche and Sinke are still banned).

thoughtforfood

Are you saying that Tyler and Floyd were responsible for 9/11...and LA was the mastermind? Hey, Hitler only had one ball.

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Bro Deal

The thing about Hamilton's case is that the full decisions by the USADA and CAS completely destroy Hamilton's defense. In addition to that, if I remember right, he had trace amounts of blood of three or four people.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

helmutRoole2

Yeah, but... I'll go see him race if comes to town, or even close.

Anyone else?

I guess it's not so much that he doped and denied (D&D), but that whole ibelieve donation web site. That was pretty bad.

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TheDarkLord

The point Bro is that even if there is a video of showing pros injecting needles, there will always be some characters who will be in denial, and they will come up with the lamest excuses for why their idol is clean.

Cobblestones

It would be fun to put everything together. But it has to have 9/11, Illuminati, Templar Knights, Nazis, the CIA, Mossad, Jews, JFK, Opus Dei, Lady Di, the East India Trading Company, fake moonlandings, cursed Aztec gold and Freemasons in there. Bonus points if you correctly predict the next high-level political assassination. And no, you're too late for B. Bhutto. Alternatively, correct prediction of the next positive doping test in pro cycling would suffice.

thoughtforfood

Assassination: Unfortunately, Hamid Karzai

Positive test: Cadel Evans (don't hate too hard on me)

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cyclingheroes

Did I miss anything? Did Tyler take ped's? Blood? Can't be, impossible, its against the rules.

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