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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Hi everyone, an interesting question came up today during my ride with a friend. Do you burn the same amount of calories when you do a 20 mile ride in an hour, compared to a 20 mile ride in half an hour. This assumes that both rides are under the same conditions. Flat, same route, same headwind/tailwind, etc.
My answer initally was yes because I thought that it would require the same amount of watts to move yourself and the bicycle 20 miles. But I don't know much about power meteres, or cycling power in general. My understanding is that you do burn a lot of calories in the first ride because of a higher speed, but since you ride less amount of time it should equal ride 2. Any thoughts? |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Compare the estimate for 20 mph to the estimate for 10 mph. It takes a lot more calories to ride twice as fast even if you ride for half the time. -Dave |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Kansas City, USA
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Yep, lower efficiency on faster rides means more calories burned for the same distance.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Assuming a dead flat road, then yeah the faster speed (20 v 10 mph) for half the time would be 2-3 times more calories. |
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Actually, I meant in the physiological sense, but you're right that more work is even being done by the faster rider by pushing against the greater resistance for the same distance. |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Toronto Canada
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If the power required to drive your bicycle twice as fast was twice as much, then the total calories would be the same (i.e., double the spend rate, but with half the total time). Except it isn't a linear dependence.
To go twice as fast requires more than twice the power, so the calorie expenditure is higher when you complete the same distance in less time. |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Doubling speed takes from four to six times more power over the range of practical cycling speeds, the lower end for lower speeds (double speed from 5 to 10 mph) and the higher end for higher speeds (double speed from 15 to 30 mph). This is due to the higher contribution of rolling resistance (linear with speed) at lower speeds. At very high speeds (think motorcycle) doubling speed requires almost an 8X increase in power. |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Toronto Canada
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Isn't that what I just said - it isn't a linear dependence.
And it isn't rolling resistance that's the big item, it's aerodynamic drag. |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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20 miles * 0.5 hours = 40mph avgI'm more interested in your training program!!! ![]() (Sorry couldn't resist.... ) |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Sorry, I meant an hour and a half.** |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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The entire equation of motion is nonlinear; however, there is a linear component (rolling resistance) that is pronounced at slow speeds. At 10 mph, 50% of the required energy is to overcome rolling resistance. |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Toronto Canada
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http://www.analyticcycling.com/ForcesSource_Page.html
If anyone is interested, there are some models here to play around with. You can see for yourself what the major loss components are as a function of speed, and you can figure out the calorie expenditure. |
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