Re: stop all bike paths etc please!!

Bill Z.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:

> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:87oddadgrp.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >
> > FYI, Muslim groups in the UK have denounced the trial and
> > conviction of a schoolteacher in the Sudan, and Islam never had a
> > centralized power structure that needed to be reformed - nothing
> > corresponding to the Vatican and the Pope. Both religions - Islam
> > and Christianity - have their share of extremists, but you'll find
> > that most people practicing either religion are sensible.
>
> I do not find the Muslims the least bit sensible about anything whatsoever.
> Their silence on the Islamic terrorist murder rampage is deafening.

Actually, Muslims have condemned terrorists, but the don't have the
sort of heirarchical structure that funnels large amounts of money
to an organization that can run a loud, noisy PR campaign to get a
"message" out.

If you've ever been in an Islamic country (I have, but not in the
Middle East), you'll find that most people living their are quite
sensible. They may make an appearance at a mosque on Fridays, but
they go about their everyday lives the rest of the week, just as
most Christians go to church on Sunday and keep their religion more
or less confined to that hour of the week. But those are not the
ones you read about in the newspapers.

> What is transpiring in the Sudan and elsewhere in the Muslim world does not
> have anything do with respect, self-respect or any of that kind of liberal
> shit.

It has everything to do with respect. The Sudan has real problem
right now, but the completely over the top reaction you saw there is
fundamentally no different than a "drive by shooting" resulting from a
kid in an inner-city slum feeling "dissed" over trivia. People like
you are making the situation worse by figuratively throwing salt on a
wound.

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Bill Z.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:

> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:873aukhliq.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >
> >> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >> news:87oddadgrp.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> > FYI, Muslim groups in the UK have denounced the trial and
> >> > conviction of a schoolteacher in the Sudan, and Islam never had a
> >> > centralized power structure that needed to be reformed - nothing
> >> > corresponding to the Vatican and the Pope. Both religions - Islam
> >> > and Christianity - have their share of extremists, but you'll find
> >> > that most people practicing either religion are sensible.
> >>
> >> I do not find the Muslims the least bit sensible about anything
> >> whatsoever.
> >> Their silence on the Islamic terrorist murder rampage is deafening.
> >
> > Actually, Muslims have condemned terrorists, but the don't have the
> > sort of heirarchical structure that funnels large amounts of money
> > to an organization that can run a loud, noisy PR campaign to get a
> > "message" out.
>
> Please, now you are being just plain ridiculous!

Show us the physical location of the Muslim equivalent of the Vatican,
plus an annual operating budget of said organization. Your lack of
a credible response should make the point.

>
> > If you've ever been in an Islamic country (I have, but not in the
> > Middle East), you'll find that most people living their are quite
> > sensible. They may make an appearance at a mosque on Fridays, but
> > they go about their everyday lives the rest of the week, just as
> > most Christians go to church on Sunday and keep their religion more
> > or less confined to that hour of the week. But those are not the
> > ones you read about in the newspapers.
>
> Muslims are not tolerant of those who are not Muslims. It is a religion of
> intolerance and persecution.

In the case I mentioned, nearly everyone I met was a Muslim and they
did not try to force their religion down my throat and did not
persecute me.

> > It has everything to do with respect. The Sudan has real problem
> > right now, but the completely over the top reaction you saw there is
> > fundamentally no different than a "drive by shooting" resulting from a
> > kid in an inner-city slum feeling "dissed" over trivia. People like
> > you are making the situation worse by figuratively throwing salt on a
> > wound.
>
> Please, spare us your dime store psychology!

Pleas spare us your bigotry and stupidity.

>
> Everything about the Sudan reeks of barbarism and savagery. And it is all
> due to their abominable religion. Did you know that the Muslim Arabs were
> the greatest slavers of all time? Hells Bells, I believe some of the Saudis
> still keep Negroes as slaves.
>
> Trust me on this - if you are not a Muslim, they view you as beneath
> contempt and hardly even human. They would like to see you dead and given
> half a chance, they will murder you and chalk it up as their good deed for
> the day.

Dolan, you are an idiot.

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Bill Z.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:

> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:87hcj01we0.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >
> >> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >> news:873aukhliq.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:87oddadgrp.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> >> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > FYI, Muslim groups in the UK have denounced the trial and
> >> >> > conviction of a schoolteacher in the Sudan, and Islam never had a
> >> >> > centralized power structure that needed to be reformed - nothing
> >> >> > corresponding to the Vatican and the Pope. Both religions - Islam
> >> >> > and Christianity - have their share of extremists, but you'll find
> >> >> > that most people practicing either religion are sensible.
> >> >>
> >> >> I do not find the Muslims the least bit sensible about anything
> >> >> whatsoever.
> >> >> Their silence on the Islamic terrorist murder rampage is deafening.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, Muslims have condemned terrorists, but the don't have the
> >> > sort of heirarchical structure that funnels large amounts of money
> >> > to an organization that can run a loud, noisy PR campaign to get a
> >> > "message" out.
> >>
> >> Please, now you are being just plain ridiculous!
> >
> > Show us the physical location of the Muslim equivalent of the Vatican,
> > plus an annual operating budget of said organization. Your lack of
> > a credible response should make the point.
>
> The Saudi regime and Mecca.

The Saudi regime supports the Saudi royal family and is not any sort
of religious body. Mecca is not the location of any sort of governing
body. Try again.

> >> Please, spare us your dime store psychology!
> >
> > Pleas spare us your bigotry and stupidity.
>
> Spoken like a true liberal twit!

It's not my fault that you are a mindless bigot.

<rest of this moron's rant snipped>

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Mike Vandeman

On 02 Dec 2007 12:47:09 -0800, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
wrote:

>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>
>> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:87oddadgrp.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
>> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>> >
>> > FYI, Muslim groups in the UK have denounced the trial and
>> > conviction of a schoolteacher in the Sudan, and Islam never had a
>> > centralized power structure that needed to be reformed - nothing
>> > corresponding to the Vatican and the Pope. Both religions - Islam
>> > and Christianity - have their share of extremists, but you'll find
>> > that most people practicing either religion are sensible.
>>
>> I do not find the Muslims the least bit sensible about anything whatsoever.
>> Their silence on the Islamic terrorist murder rampage is deafening.
>
>Actually, Muslims have condemned terrorists, but the don't have the
>sort of heirarchical structure that funnels large amounts of money
>to an organization that can run a loud, noisy PR campaign to get a
>"message" out.
>
>If you've ever been in an Islamic country (I have, but not in the
>Middle East), you'll find that most people living their are quite
>sensible. They may make an appearance at a mosque on Fridays, but
>they go about their everyday lives the rest of the week, just as
>most Christians go to church on Sunday and keep their religion more
>or less confined to that hour of the week. But those are not the
>ones you read about in the newspapers.
>
>> What is transpiring in the Sudan and elsewhere in the Muslim world does not
>> have anything do with respect, self-respect or any of that kind of liberal
>> shit.
>
>It has everything to do with respect. The Sudan has real problem
>right now, but the completely over the top reaction you saw there is
>fundamentally no different than a "drive by shooting" resulting from a
>kid in an inner-city slum feeling "dissed" over trivia. People like
>you are making the situation worse by figuratively throwing salt on a
>wound.

So we shouldn't talk about bad things that are going on -- just look
the other way, like you do? That's sick.
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
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Mike Vandeman

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:57:51 GMT, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
wrote:

>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>
>> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:873aukhliq.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
>> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:87oddadgrp.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
>> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>> >> >
>> >> > FYI, Muslim groups in the UK have denounced the trial and
>> >> > conviction of a schoolteacher in the Sudan, and Islam never had a
>> >> > centralized power structure that needed to be reformed - nothing
>> >> > corresponding to the Vatican and the Pope. Both religions - Islam
>> >> > and Christianity - have their share of extremists, but you'll find
>> >> > that most people practicing either religion are sensible.
>> >>
>> >> I do not find the Muslims the least bit sensible about anything
>> >> whatsoever.
>> >> Their silence on the Islamic terrorist murder rampage is deafening.
>> >
>> > Actually, Muslims have condemned terrorists, but the don't have the
>> > sort of heirarchical structure that funnels large amounts of money
>> > to an organization that can run a loud, noisy PR campaign to get a
>> > "message" out.
>>
>> Please, now you are being just plain ridiculous!
>
>Show us the physical location of the Muslim equivalent of the Vatican,
>plus an annual operating budget of said organization. Your lack of
>a credible response should make the point.
>
>>
>> > If you've ever been in an Islamic country (I have, but not in the
>> > Middle East), you'll find that most people living their are quite
>> > sensible. They may make an appearance at a mosque on Fridays, but
>> > they go about their everyday lives the rest of the week, just as
>> > most Christians go to church on Sunday and keep their religion more
>> > or less confined to that hour of the week. But those are not the
>> > ones you read about in the newspapers.
>>
>> Muslims are not tolerant of those who are not Muslims. It is a religion of
>> intolerance and persecution.
>
>In the case I mentioned, nearly everyone I met was a Muslim and they
>did not try to force their religion down my throat and did not
>persecute me.
>
>> > It has everything to do with respect. The Sudan has real problem
>> > right now, but the completely over the top reaction you saw there is
>> > fundamentally no different than a "drive by shooting" resulting from a
>> > kid in an inner-city slum feeling "dissed" over trivia. People like
>> > you are making the situation worse by figuratively throwing salt on a
>> > wound.
>>
>> Please, spare us your dime store psychology!
>
>Pleas spare us your bigotry and stupidity.
>
>>
>> Everything about the Sudan reeks of barbarism and savagery. And it is all
>> due to their abominable religion. Did you know that the Muslim Arabs were
>> the greatest slavers of all time? Hells Bells, I believe some of the Saudis
>> still keep Negroes as slaves.
>>
>> Trust me on this - if you are not a Muslim, they view you as beneath
>> contempt and hardly even human. They would like to see you dead and given
>> half a chance, they will murder you and chalk it up as their good deed for
>> the day.
>
>Dolan, you are an idiot.

As opposed to you, who can't spell his own name properly? Thanks for
the laugh.

"My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB"
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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Bill Z.

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> writes:

> On 02 Dec 2007 12:47:09 -0800, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
> wrote:
>
> >"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >

> >It has everything to do with respect. The Sudan has real problem
> >right now, but the completely over the top reaction you saw there is
> >fundamentally no different than a "drive by shooting" resulting from a
> >kid in an inner-city slum feeling "dissed" over trivia. People like
> >you are making the situation worse by figuratively throwing salt on a
> >wound.
>
> So we shouldn't talk about bad things that are going on -- just look
> the other way, like you do? That's sick.

No, Mikey, you shouldn't talk about it when all you can say is that a
class of people should be exterminated. Dolan is the really sick guy
in this discussion. If you feel compelled to defend that idiot, you
are as sick as he is.

There are seneible things that can be said about it. A Muslim
group in the UK apparently made a fairly sensible statement about
it, condemning what went on in the Sudan, but without calling for
anyone's extermination.

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

Bill Z.

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> writes:

> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:57:51 GMT, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
> wrote:
>
> >"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >
> >
> >Dolan, you are an idiot.
>
> As opposed to you, who can't spell his own name properly? Thanks for
> the laugh.
>
> "My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB"

Vanderman apparently can't read.

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

Bill Z.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:

> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:871wa4eahs.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> [...]
> >> > Show us the physical location of the Muslim equivalent of the Vatican,
> >> > plus an annual operating budget of said organization. Your lack of
> >> > a credible response should make the point.
> >>
> >> The Saudi regime and Mecca.
> >
> > The Saudi regime supports the Saudi royal family and is not any sort
> > of religious body. Mecca is not the location of any sort of governing
> > body. Try again.
>
> These things are mixed together in the Muslim world. The Saudi are the
> instigators of extremism itself (Wahabism) and they fund it all over the
> world. Mecca is the font from which all the evil in the world flows. An atom
> bomb planted there would really do some good!
> [...]

Dolan is an idiot.

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Bill Z.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:

> "Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:87abosflaq.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
> > Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> writes:
> >
> >> On 02 Dec 2007 12:47:09 -0800, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >> >
> >
> >> >It has everything to do with respect. The Sudan has real problem
> >> >right now, but the completely over the top reaction you saw there is
> >> >fundamentally no different than a "drive by shooting" resulting from a
> >> >kid in an inner-city slum feeling "dissed" over trivia. People like
> >> >you are making the situation worse by figuratively throwing salt on a
> >> >wound.
> >>
> >> So we shouldn't talk about bad things that are going on -- just look
> >> the other way, like you do? That's sick.
> >
> > No, Mikey, you shouldn't talk about it when all you can say is that a
> > class of people should be exterminated. Dolan is the really sick guy
> > in this discussion. If you feel compelled to defend that idiot, you
> > are as sick as he is.
>
> I think the entire Old World should be done away with. Enough of the Eastern
> Hemisphere! Only the New World (the Western Hemisphere) should survive the
> 21st century. That is why the US should carpet bomb with atom bombs all the
> lands of the Muslims. This would effectively get rid of la belle France and
> various other roguish nations which have ever shown in recent years only how
> to betray Western Civilization.
>
> If we have at least one atom bomb left over, I suggest we drop it on
> Milwaukee because that is where Tom Sherman lives. It is not too high a
> price to pay for all good Milwaukeeans to perish in order to be rid of Tom
> Sherman. We will just chalk it up to collateral damage.
>
> > There are seneible things that can be said about it. A Muslim
> > group in the UK apparently made a fairly sensible statement about
> > it, condemning what went on in the Sudan, but without calling for
> > anyone's extermination.
>
> What a liberal twit Bill Z is! He can't bring himself to say one critical
> thing about Muslims who rampage and murder innocents all over the world.

Dolan is an idiot.



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Mike Vandeman

On 02 Dec 2007 20:35:38 -0800, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:57:51 GMT, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >Dolan, you are an idiot.
>>
>> As opposed to you, who can't spell his own name properly? Thanks for
>> the laugh.
>>
>> "My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB"
>
>Vanderman apparently can't read.

If you could read, you would have learned how to spell my name.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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Bill Z.

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> writes:

> On 02 Dec 2007 20:35:38 -0800, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
> wrote:
>
> >Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> writes:
> >
> >> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:57:51 GMT, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Dolan, you are an idiot.
> >>
> >> As opposed to you, who can't spell his own name properly? Thanks for
> >> the laugh.
> >>
> >> "My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB"
> >
> >Vanderman apparently can't read.
>
> If you could read, you would have learned how to spell my name.

If you had half a brain, you'd know the difference between being
able to read and being able to type accurately, not that your
name is worth any effort anyway.


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