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Contador is a doper. Franke has the proof.

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Old 30-07.-2007, 11:44 PM   #1
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Old 31-07.-2007, 12:04 AM   #2
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Put up or shut up. Why won't he shows us the documents in his briefcase ? This is about as compelling as an episode of the Cosby show.......
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Old 31-07.-2007, 12:10 AM   #3
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Then why does he not produce this 'proof' for all to see ? He claims to have passed the documents on to the relevant authorities, so he will probably claim that he can't because he no longer has them. But, if you had been in his place, don't you think you might have remembered that great invention, the photocopier ?
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Old 31-07.-2007, 12:28 AM   #4
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A LEADING German expert in the fight against doping yesterday claimed to have evidence indicating that Tour de France winner Alberto Contador had used drugs.
Twenty-four hours after the Spaniard donned the winner's yellow jersey on the Champs Elysees, expert Werner Franke described the 24-year-old's victory as "the greatest swindle in sporting history".

Franke bases his claim on documents he says are in his possession from the Spanish police's Operation Puerto inquiry into Eufemiano Fuentes, the doctor said to have masterminded doping programs for athletes.

"The name of this Mr Contador appears on several occasions on the court and police documents," Franke told German television station ZDF.

"All of this has been simply concealed and hidden under the carpet whilst the name Contador was erased from the list of supicious riders."

Franke claims to have a detailed list of banned products used by Contador, which appear in sworn statements following the raid on Fuentes' medical practice.

"He took insulin, HMG-Lepori, a hormone to stimulate the secretion of testosterone and also a product for asthma called TGN - in brief I have before my eyes a protocol for doping," he told ZDF.

"All of this has been covered up, at least in Spain."

Contador, who inherited the lead in the Tour de France last week after Michael Rasmussen's expulsion in a row over missed random drug tests, denied he'd had any links with Fuentes' drugs program.

Speaking after Saturday's penultimate time-trial in Angouleme about why his name had been linked to Fuentes he said: "I was in the wrong team at the wrong time and somehow my name got among the documents, but the UCI corrected the mistake and now I've got no link to Puerto."

Among the cyclists associated with Fuentes was Jan Ullrich, the former Tour de France winner.

Meanwhile, disgraced rider Alexander Vinokourov has been sacked by his Astana team following his positive test for blood doping on the Tour de France, the team announced yesterday.

"Astana Cycling Team received confirmation that Alexander Vinokourov's B sample was 'non negative'," the Swiss team said.

"Consequently, the Kazakh rider has been sacked by Astana cycling team with immediate effect."

Vinokourov tested positive for blood doping following his victory in a time trial in Albi on July 21.

He left the race last Tuesday and as a result of the positive test, the Astana team were invited by Tour organisers Amaury Sport Organisation to pull out.

Vinokourov, winner of last year's Tour of Spain, denies doping. If found guilty he faces a two-year ban and according to the International Cycling Union's anti-doping charter will have to pay a fine equal to a year's salary.
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Old 31-07.-2007, 12:35 AM   #5
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Franke bases his claim on documents he says are in his possession from the Spanish police's Operation Puerto inquiry into Eufemiano Fuentes, the doctor said to have masterminded doping programs for athletes.

Systran translation says:-
"these findings landed
stop in my brief case, happened sometimes, and I them on then equal
the Federal Criminal Investigation Office passed".
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Systran translation says:-
"these findings landed
stop in my brief case, happened sometimes, and I them on then equal
the Federal Criminal Investigation Office passed".

Yes, he handed all the documents over to the German "FBI".

BTW I bought Süddeutsche this morning. They published the decisive document in their print version today. Too bad, you cannot find it online.

It´s a medication plan for Liberty Seguros riders in 2005.

It says that A.C. is to receive "Nada o igual J.J." Below the initials of each rider on the list Fuentes scribbled the full names of the riders. Below A.C. you find the name "Contador".

From that list we don´t know if A.C. received nothing in 2005 or the same treatment as Jaksche, however Franke claims there is more proof in the papers that Contador was involved in the doping program.
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It says that A.C. is to receive "Nada o igual J.J." Below the initials of each rider on the list Fuentes scribbled the full names of the riders. Below A.C. you find the name "Contador".

From that list we don´t know if A.C. received nothing in 2005 or the same treatment as Jaksche, however Franke claims there is more proof in the papers that Contador was involved in the doping program.
The statement above is not new information; even I've heard it before! If they printed the best document out of the set, they must not have much.
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Weren't ZDF the guys that broke the news on Soler?

I see that ZDF says they've got a guy who has evidence. I don't see evidence.


Need some help here. What kind of performance enhancing effects does insulin have?
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Weren't ZDF the guys that broke the news on Soler?

I see that ZDF says they've got a guy who has evidence. I don't see evidence.


Need some help here. What kind of performance enhancing effects does insulin have?

No, they didn´t break that news, it was "La Provence", a French newspaper.

Insulin is needed if you inject growth hormones, it accelerates muscle growth.

But www.interpool.tv that published the German version of the Puerto Papers has a leaf that says that discussing Alberto´s situation with Manolo is on Fuentes´agenda.

I guess that after Alberto´s brain surgery in 2004 Fuentes had a problem with the so-called "oil changes"(Alberto,"Saiz was a father figure for me").

It´s significant that Contador wins races by small margins. That also goes for the Catalonian Week in 2005. Maybe they (Fuentes/Saiz) really refrained from blood transfusions.
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...somehow my name got among the documents.

somehow? in these sorts of situations, names just dont "somehow" appear. that is a lame excuse.
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somehow? in these sorts of situations, names just dont "somehow" appear. that is a lame excuse.


...yes somehow my name didn't appear... I wonder why ? maybe cos I don't dope ?
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somehow? in these sorts of situations, names just dont "somehow" appear. that is a lame excuse.

It's the same thing that the Spanish, the UCI and the ASO said. That his name was on the summary documents submitted to the UCI, but it didn't belong there. And of course the reason they said that was because THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM - for those of you that are hard of seeing.
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Insulin is needed if you inject growth hormones, it accelerates muscle growth.
Ah, now I understand why he is built like Schwartzenegger.

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Ah, now I understand why he is built like Schwarztenegger.



Insulin's performance enhancing attributes are well documented.

In the late 1990's/early noughties, a raft of sportsmen in endurance sports suddenly developed diabetes : sports such as rowing saw an avalanche of doctors certs requesting their charges be allowed consume insulin.


A growing number of athletes reportedly take insulin to boost their performance illegally, but controlling insulin abuse has gone largely unchecked. Now, a urine test designed by German and Belgian scientists could be set to change all that.

Although it is unclear whether or not shooting up with insulin improves athletic performance, the International Olympic Committee banned the use of this hormone by non-diabetic athletes in 1998. But a test to catch insulin dopers does not exist.

'So far no doping control assay is able to differentiate synthetic insulins from endogenously produced insulin,' explained Mario Thevis, a biochemist at the German Sport University in Cologne. 'In order to prevent athletes from administering this drug, a reliable and sensitive method is necessary,' he said. Thevis and colleagues have now reported such a test in the journal Analytical Chemistry.

Thevis' team purified degradation products of natural and synthetic insulin from the urine of healthy volunteers or patients and athletes being treated for diabetes mellitus.

'Therapeutics are commonly monitored in blood and the metabolic fate of these drugs in urine was considered negligible,' explained Thevis. 'Now, modern analytical instruments have allowed for the detection of low-level compounds and metabolites.' For instance, 'the amino acid compositions are different in human insulin and most synthetic analogues,' he said, 'this factor can be determined using mass spectrometry.'

The test unambiguously discriminates metabolites of Lantus insulin, a long acting synthetic insulin, from human insulin based on modifications introduced by pharmaceutical companies, said Thevis. It is currently being assessed for use in future drug tests by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

'It is clear that a lot of good work has been achieved,' Olivier Rabin, director of science at the World Anti-Doping Agency in Montreal, Canada told Chemistry World. 'We would want to apply this method to maximise our chances of catching cheaters,' he added.

Although the researchers validated the test for one type of synthetic insulin, the method did not work for the urine samples from the diabetic patients treated with recombinant human insulin or Levemir, two other commercially available long acting insulins.

'The discrimination is more complex as the molecules [natural and recombinant human insulin] are identical,' explained Thevis.

However, the researchers found that when they compared the ratio of a degradation product of the synthetic insulins to endogenous insulin, the ratio was elevated in diabetic patients treated with either recombinant human insulin of Levemir. Thevis says that a ratio profile is a 'promising approach' for identifying the misuse of these types of insulin that his team is currently pursuing.

Insulin, when used as a performance enhancer, works to slow down the degradation of muscle tissue, which is attractive to such athletes as bodybuilders especially when they are also doping with a growth hormone. For endurance athletes, cyclists and runners, for example, insulin provides fuel for muscle cells and improves stamina. Although the prevalence of insulin doping is not known, luggage seizures at airports and testimonials from formerly doped athletes suggest that the abuse of this hormone is a real problem.

'We know insulin abuse is part of the doping regimen of some athletes,' said Rabin.
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A growing number of athletes reportedly take insulin to boost their performance illegally, but controlling insulin abuse has gone largely unchecked. Now, a urine test designed by German and Belgian scientists could be set to change all that.

Although it is unclear whether or not shooting up with insulin improves athletic performance, the International Olympic Committee banned the use of this hormone by non-diabetic athletes in 1998. But a test to catch insulin dopers does not exist.

'So far no doping control assay is able to differentiate synthetic insulins from endogenously produced insulin,' explained Mario Thevis, a biochemist at the German Sport University in Cologne. 'In order to prevent athletes from administering this drug, a reliable and sensitive method is necessary,' he said. Thevis and colleagues have now reported such a test in the journal Analytical Chemistry.

Rabin.

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