seat position/ seat height

cazorp

ok guys ... i have a 2005 felt f80 ... my question is when a bike is fir correctly how close should your feet be to the ground when they are off your pedals?? mine always dangle quite a bit and im wondering if i should lower my stem a bit or if that is how it should be

also how do you find out which seat position i.e. farthe back or farther up to put the seat in???

im new to cycling so im just looking for tricks of the trade for these types of things

thanks
Zach

gclark8

Seat : pedals
as top tube : ground

Seat does not relate to the ground.

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cazorp

so you are saying that if i was to sit on the bar then my feet should touch the ground?? is that correct??

thanks for the replies
Zach

gclark8

Not quite, but close.
When you stand on the ground (both feet) your genitals should clear the bar by 1".

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sogood

More if it's a compact frame.

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FishMan473

this is the most critical part of bicycling fit, so it's not something that should just be eye-balled. The rule of thumb I tell people that at least gets them close is that you should set up your seatpost so that your leg is completely straight, but not over-extended when you foot is at the bottom of the pedal stroke, then drop it 1". This will put you a little low for road riding, so maybe just drop it 15 mm.

A more accurate way to figure it out is is that the distance from the center of your bottom bracket to the top of your saddle should be:

(.883*y)-3mm

y being the length of your inseam measured in stocking feet, while standing against a wall with a book stuck up under your junk aligned with the wall. measure from the top of the book to the floor.

try a google search for "bicycle saddle height" or "bicycle saddle position" and get edumocated

bigpedaler

correct fit starts like this -- sitting on seat, one pedal all the way down, heel on pedal, leg should be straight. next -- sitting on seat, one pedal all the way forward, dangle a plumb bob (bolt tied w/ 1 meter of twine will work) from that kneecap, string should pass pedal axle or slightly behind it. oh -- make sure bike is on level surface for the string test. from there, adjust only small amounts for personal comfort.

otherself

It depends because each bike has a differential bottom bracket height. For instance, a mountain bike as a higher bottom bracket than a road bike (for better rock/shrub clearance etc), so your legs seem further off the ground. 0.83 x your inseem (in cm) will give you the correct saddle height (measured from centre of bottom bracket to top of saddle)....give or take 1cm depending on your footwears sole thickness.

j.r.hawkins

Go with bigpedaler's suggestion. While mine's an MTB I had it adjusted by the LBS to suit road work (I'm a commuter). It wasn;t quite perfect so I fiddled with it a few mm at a time until I was happy. I have had knee surgery so protecting my knees from new injury is a focus I have.

Guess what?

Bigpedaler's suggestion would have saved me a lot of messing about becasue that's EXACTLy where I ended up positioning the seat.

Go figger...

djk202020

My feet are nowhere near the ground in order to get in the saddle I have to clip one foot in and stand on that pedal to get up on the seat. Same thing when I dismount, and I never swing my legs over my seat, too high when I get off the bike I swing over my handle bars which are a few inches lower.

Where did you get the bike? if you got it at a LBS they should have fit you before you left. If you have not been fit on the bike find a place that will fit you. It isn’t that big of an investment and you will learn a lot about how to set up your bike. You will be riding more efficiently and more comfortably

j.r.hawkins

You can't lean your bike over a bit more? Works for me.

djk202020

Yeah sure but the bars are still lower than the seat is.

Dirtcoach

cazorp, assuming this is for XC all mountain type of riding

To get the most out of what is currently on your bike, follow these simple steps:
1) Measure and record everything: This step is very useful when your bike is disassembled and then put back together.
a. Saddle height from center of the pedal spindle or center of the crank to the center and top of the saddle in line with the center of seat post (some bike have odd bends in the seat tubes) so there is a difference between actual and effective seat tube angles.
b. Fore aft measurement, I measure from the center of my handlebar to the nose of the saddle
c. Tilt is generally measured in degrees, simplified is method is to measure from top of the tube to bottom of the saddle nose.
2) Make small changes about 1 cm or less unless it is very obvious the saddle position is way off.
3) Ride with each change for at least a couple km if it doesn’t feel worse, if the bike feels better with the change do it again until it does feel worse then back off to the place it was before the last change.
4) Be aware that a change in fore aft will effect the saddle height aft makes it higher fore makes it lower. But resist the urge to change both at the same time unless you have already.

What your body is telling you about your saddle and overall bike position. These are suggestions, though some symptoms can be from over use and under rest or other biomechanical reasons and you may need to be evaluated by a qualified sports medicine professional.

Hips should remain somewhat level when pedaling on the saddle if they rock high to low then the saddle is most likely too high and will lead to low back and hip pain if not already. You may also notice that you pedal on your tippy toes like a ballerina to compensate.

Heels should flat at the bottom of the stroke, like scraping mud from your shoes at the bottom of the stroke. More on this in how to pedal effectively. If your heals are really low at the bottom of the stroke you may need to raise the saddle height.

Back of knee pain could indicate a to high saddle or to much aft position.

Front of knee pain could mean a to low or too much fore position, sometimes too long of a crank.

cPritch67

Dirtcoach
I have recently swapped road shoes (same brand and size) and was weary about using the painted lines as gospel for aligning the cleats to the new shoes. Since, I've noticed that I am getting some pain in the upper calve and a little achiles tenderness. Is that a typical symptom of saddle hieght or fore/aft position? Possibly the cleat a little farther back (measures a little farther back - just behind ball of foot)?