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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Richmond, VA & Quahog, RI
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Looking for some clarification on upgrading from road Cat5 to Cat4. On the USCF site it says 10 mass starts are required, but never explains if there is a timeframe to have the 10 starts. Is it 12 months, a single season or what? I have 1 race in 2003, 3 in 2005 and 5 thusfar in 2006. Will 1 more give me my 10?
Much thanks in advance, I've googled the heck out of this question and everysite seems to parrot the USCF rule. |
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Orleans, LA, USA
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There is no requirement that the races occur within the same year. Ten qualifying mass start races should qualify you for the upgrade.
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Join Date: May 2006
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Is it possible to cat up without doing the 10 mass starts? I just don't think I'll have the time to get in 10 races this season, and I would like to be able to earn points for a cat 3 as soon as possible.
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: WA State
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In some places you can take a skills class that will qualify you to become a cat 4. look for something like this - http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?event_id=1323965 in your local area |
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Pretty presumptious to think you'd earn points in your first few races as a 4. It appears you haven't yet done a single crit, but you're already planning your upgrade to 3. Cat 5 exists to weed out the squirrels and give a dose of reality to wannabees - maybe you're the exception, but if you can't race 10 times a year you are NOT ready for 3s and won't do much in the 4s either. BTW, there IS a time limit to earn the upgrade to 3. |
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Yup, 4 to 3 is a 12 month limit for points to accumulate. |
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Very true - one of my husbands team mates came back to racing this year after about 10 years, I think he was a cat 1 or 2 previously. He also was started back as a cat 5. After about 3 races that he easily won they booted him up to a cat 4 and he's since gathered enough point to upgrade to cat 3. Note that this is very *atypical*, most people do not move up this quickly unless quite gifted or as in this case very experienced. |
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I thought that it was 10 mass start races in the last 12 months? Also, if you place very good, ie. Top 10 in the first 3-4 races and write a e-mail to the person in charge of you local USCF upgrades then you can upgrade to cat 4 pretty easily. Last season I upgraded from Cat 5 - Cat 3 in 3 months, it was great at the time but my winter training was poo.....now I am getting killed in the Cat 3 races. Best advice is to take you time and the best times to upgrade are early season/mid season.....waiting till the end of the season to upgrade can really screw you because you have to be on that good of form when you start racing again in the spring. |
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I raced tonight and posed the question to a USCF official. Her reponse was "10 mass starts in 12 month period".
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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I've developed a "show-me-where-it-says-that" mentality over the years when dealing with this kind of issue. So below is the exact language from the USA Cycling site pertaining to upgrades:
http://www.usacycling.org/ USCF Road Upgrades Guidelines and Notes by Category: 5-4: Experience in 10 mass start races that meet the criteria in the table below (qualifying races). Local Associations may also establish policies where upgrade credit is given for taking a sanctioned rider education clinic. 4-3: 20 points in any 12-month period; or experience in 25 qualifying races with a minimum of 10 top ten finishes, or 20 pack finishes with fields over 50. 30 points in 12 months is an automatic upgrade 3-2: 25 points in any 12-month period 60 points in 12 months is an automatic upgrade 2-1: 30 points in any 12-month period 60 points in 12 months is an automatic upgrade USA Cycling may add additional requirements for upgrading at their discretion. Any such changes shall be made available on the website. Qualifying Road Races for each category Category Class RR Crit Field Experience 5 – 4 Men 15 mi 10 mi 10 10 races 4 – 3 Men 25 mi 20 mi 30 25 races Women 25 mi 15 mi 10 25 races Junior 25 mi 15 mi 10 25 races 3 – 2 Men 50 mi 20 mi 50 Women 40 mi 15 mi 20 2 – 1 Men 80 mi 35 mi 60 Women 50 mi 20 mi 30 Note: 4-3 upgrades, and 3-2 upgrades, and 2-1 upgrades mention the 12-month window. Cat. 5 to 4 upgrades do not mention any time limit. Also note the language about credit given for taking a "sanctioned rider education clinic". Also note that the specific term is "experience" in 10 mass start races. That means you have to start, but not necessarily finish, 10 races. You could conceivably do 4 or more races in one weekend and Cat. up in less than a month if you really wanted to. (Not commenting on whether that would be a good idea or not....). Bob |
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Many, many moons ago, I was was given an upgrade from 5 to 4 in my 2nd race since I placed 2nd and it was the district championship crit. Your local official can make the call. Upgrading from the 4's and higher is where the rulebook is enforced(by acccumulated points or experience, but perhaps they can make exceptions for exceptional riders too). |
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I always thought it possible to "start" 10 races and drop out after 10 feet yet still qualify. Though technically 10 starts, it sure wouldn't meet the intent of the reg which is of course to actually experience 10 races and all they entail in a close quartered pack. If I wanted to push the issue I could. I've done over 10 races and had more than half end in top ten finishes. Most of my local racing is in a combined cat4/5 grouping anyway so an upgrade doesn't do much. |
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Many many many moons ago, I started out as a 4 because 5's didn't even exist. Also retired as a 4. |
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I remembered another situation that proves even at the 4 to 3 jump, it can be at the officials discretion. I did a Cat 4 crit, where an expert/semi-pro mtn biker soloed off the front to win for almost the entire race, and then the official forced an upgrade to 3 for him even though it was his first season on the road. If you are good enough to upgrade to 3 without the reqs, you will be able to SserPrun95 . |
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