How insane is BushCo?

Wurm

Here's how:


The administration of President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 issue.


A B-2 Spirit Bomber from Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., practices dropping an unarmed B61-11, a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon.
The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush and others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler.

"That's the name they're using," the report quoted a former senior intelligence official as saying.

A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that "this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war."

The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" and "operational," Hersh writes.

One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government," The New Yorker pointed out.

In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said.

One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes.

But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report.

"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying.

The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah.

"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker.

© Copyright 2006 AFP

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Hypnospin

when questioned on the possible use of nukes bush and co have repeatedly stated "no option is off the table". these remarks had first been made during the buildup pr campaign to attacking afghanistan, and since then up to now as well.


it is a reflection on the lack of responsibility the us citizens, that such veiled threats continue to go largely unchallenged.

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wolfix

That article takes your creditability to a all time low Wurm ..... You must be getting desperate....

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Wurm

Only in your warped mind, wolfux.

Pray tell us: when has Mr. Hersh been found to be quoting specious sources? In fact, Seymour Hersh is one of the few investigative journalists left that is unassailable.

As you may know, Bushco had planned to invade Iraq well before 9/11 - which was equally insane - as is being proved on a daily basis. So, we've seen this horror movie before; Iran will just be Part II.

Now, we'll wait to see how this works out in real time. Care to make a wager that BushCo won't nuke Iran?

Of course, it won't even make the evening news in the U.S. MSM, and if it does, it'll be spun that Iran actually has nukes and was going to somehow/somewhere attack the West.

In case you haven't figured it out yet: these Neo Con/fascist leopards won't change their spots any time soon.

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Carrera

I'm afraid that Wurm is right and he beat me to this new thread. The Sunday Mail today has published these details Wurm refers to and the Mail is a pretty responsible daily over here. It's quite serious, I believe and the Mail has clearly stated Bush is considering the use of nuclear weapons against Iran and plans full regime change in that country.
The Mail quotes Bush as stating that he will go down as the President who dared to save the world from a nuclear Iran and there is no way he will allow Iran to develop that capacity. Plans for the said nuclear strike have already been outlined.
The thread I planned to raise had to do with how global opinion would react to such a strike against Iran and could Bush actually bring about a full scale Third World War? Could it get totally out of control?

wolfix

1st of all Carrera, the New Yorker is not what a sane person would read if they wanted the news in an unbiased way. The author is not a unbiased author. The story was written in a way to leave certain facts out and to be sensational.....
Of course the military has considered nukes...... It also in it's agenda made plans 100 different ways of other options.
British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw even said the nukes is "completly nuts."
Israel is the one who is ready at this moment to strike and with justification....Wurm is a man obsessed with hatred of the Republican party because his wife ran off with a locql party member. The mold in his mother's basement where he lives has finally gotten to him.....

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Carrera

Wurm's very left-wing but I do think he's raised a valid post this time round. Jack Straw doesn't have the influence or clout to simply state there will be no all-out attack on Iran. The simple fact appears to be that Bush would rather use nuclear weapons against Iran as opposed to the alternative of allowing Iran to go nuclear.
Wurm is right to point out we're now entering extremely dangerous waters.
So far, there is no sign of Iran backing down and Iran can obviously point out that co-operation didn't help Iraq anyway and the country was invaded regardless. Iran seems pretty determined to obtain nukes and also use oil as a weapon to cripple the West if attacked. The Iranian population would also fight to a man if attacked on a far larger scale than we see in Iraq, the war spreading possibly to Syria, Iraq and maybe other Islamic states.
Yet, if the U.S. does nothing, as you say, it's likely Israel itself will flatten Tehran if Israel sincerely believes the mullahs plan to attack Israeli populations.
In short, it's a bit of a mess and who knows where things may end.

limerickman

Neither the DM or the SM are responsible.

They're reactionary newspapers - both of them.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

The Sunday Times today carried the story printed by the New Yorker - adding that it (the article) has no credence based on quotes about it from leading politicians in the USA and Britain.

Of course these were the same politicians who told us that Saddam had WMD - when they knew that he had no WMD.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

Myself I find the Mail comparatively moderate, far more so than the Sun or possibly the Express. True, there is a number of Mail readers out there who support the Iraq war or would like to see the dreaded hanging brought back but the majority of Mail readers are centre-right.
At any rate, leaving the press out of it for now, the facts speak for themselves: Iran seeks nuclear weapons and won't yield to the demands of Europe, Russia and the U.S. to cease research in that field. Israel has made it very clear it perceives a nuclear Iran as too dangerous a prospect and is determined to act should the U.N. fail. The U.S. doesn't want a full scale Middle East war and has vowed to use the military as a last resort. Land invasion of Iran is out of the question as it would be too bloody and the U.S. electorate wouldn't support another Vietnam scenario.
That leaves the prospect of massive bombing of Iran's suspected sites if all else fails. The only hope is that Russia will be able to persuade Iran to comply or we could be in for a major crisis.

ptlwp

How insane?

"Let us pray it ain't so"................

I want my mommy!!!!!




However, I might add that on Friday last, on HBO, Bill Mahr's, New Rules Show, Sen. Joe Biden, Del (D) (announced he is running for president in the next election) and he summed things up in the following way; and it did make sense in a nonsensical way.

"George runs the country on his instincts, and then prays that he was right."

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Wurm

Wrong again, Homer.

I hate the Repig Party because they're such criminals, liars, and hypocrites. You don't have to be a "leftist" to see that, just a person with a capacity to see past the 30 second Faux News updates.

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Carrera

Wurm, what is your opinion of Schwarzennegger who's supposed to be a Republican hybrid (married into the Kennedy family and all)?

Wurm

Oh, AHHNOLD you mean? From everything I've seen of his admin. since it's inception, I'd say he's no more than your typical Repig corporate shill who lives to gut the tax base of the citizens which pay for his upkeep.

Also right in line with the lying and conniving mantra of today's "conservatives", he's made loads of promises to Californians that he's not kept thus far, and had clearly no intention to ever do.

The notion of his relationship to a progressive family having any influence on his gubernatorial decisions has not thus far been shown to hold much merit, AFAIK.

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"Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense."

- John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon)

The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.