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Old 28-03.-2006, 04:01 AM   #1
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I've been browsing the archive reading up on people's knee injury stories, but I have a question that was not answered in any of the posts I found. First just a quick background. I raced on the road for 5 years before getting married and having a child. Now after 6 years basically off the bike, I've freed up some time in my schedule to get back into riding. In the fall I started to ride a couple times a week without any problems. Then in January, I overdid it and caused some inflamation which a PT has diagnosed as PFP. I knew better than to continue until the pain was acute, and managed to avoid severe inflamation or pain, but the classic symptoms of pain when descending stairs and mild burning on the inside of the patella were present. Specifically, the PT found that my glute is weak, allowing my knee to mis-allign under load, and cause the irritation. I have a strength and stretch routine, that I do 3 X/wk, and ride low resistance on the rollers 3 X/wk. I have not experienced any significant change in the condition of my knee after a couple weeks. What I want to know is at what point does the inflamation inhibit recovery? Do I need to completely stop everything until there is NO pain? This injury has never caused pain worse than a 3 on a 1-10 scale, so I've been cautious but not exclusionary about activity and rehab. Anybody want to comment? Thanks very much. Noah
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Old 11-04.-2006, 11:59 AM   #2
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I've been browsing the archive reading up on people's knee injury stories, but I have a question that was not answered in any of the posts I found. First just a quick background. I raced on the road for 5 years before getting married and having a child. Now after 6 years basically off the bike, I've freed up some time in my schedule to get back into riding. In the fall I started to ride a couple times a week without any problems. Then in January, I overdid it and caused some inflamation which a PT has diagnosed as PFP. I knew better than to continue until the pain was acute, and managed to avoid severe inflamation or pain, but the classic symptoms of pain when descending stairs and mild burning on the inside of the patella were present. Specifically, the PT found that my glute is weak, allowing my knee to mis-allign under load, and cause the irritation. I have a strength and stretch routine, that I do 3 X/wk, and ride low resistance on the rollers 3 X/wk. I have not experienced any significant change in the condition of my knee after a couple weeks. What I want to know is at what point does the inflamation inhibit recovery? Do I need to completely stop everything until there is NO pain? This injury has never caused pain worse than a 3 on a 1-10 scale, so I've been cautious but not exclusionary about activity and rehab. Anybody want to comment? Thanks very much. Noah


I have been having knee pain for over a year now and haven't been able to go on bike rides. So your knee pain is on the medial side of your kneecap? Here is a very good article on knee pain and cycling.http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues...404/asplund.htm
As far as inflammation goes you should try to supress it as much as possible. From what I have read and experienced imflammation brings on irritation, which causes the pain to get worse. I ice my knee whenever I feel it getting hot and I take Asprin which fends off the inflammation well. Good luck with your knee problems.
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Old 12-04.-2006, 05:39 AM   #3
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I would suggest taking nsaids. Look up naproxen, ibuprofin etc. if you can only get ahold of otc products. If you can buy prescription medications I suggest meloxicam 15 mg a day. You can look up med info on merck manual online or pdr online to see the dosages. I have a considerably damaged shoulder which I decided not to have operated and occasionally use these medicines to reduce swelling. It usu. takes 2 weeks to see improvement. good luck
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I have been having knee pain for over a year now and haven't been able to go on bike rides. So your knee pain is on the medial side of your kneecap? Here is a very good article on knee pain and cycling.http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues...404/asplund.htm
As far as inflammation goes you should try to supress it as much as possible. From what I have read and experienced imflammation brings on irritation, which causes the pain to get worse. I ice my knee whenever I feel it getting hot and I take Asprin which fends off the inflammation well. Good luck with your knee problems.


Mike,
Back in November 2005 you stated that your knees were getting better after addressing the ITB and VMO issues. Has the progress stopped??? I've been dealing with patellar tendinitis / PFS since the end of January and sometimes wonder if I will ever get back to normal. How has your recovery been?
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Old 13-04.-2006, 01:06 PM   #5
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It sounds like you're at a stage that you can control your problem pretty good by strengthening your legs and ensuring you don't overdue it.

However, when that condition gets significant, it's possible to be in a situation where exercise will never leave a person "pain free". Hence, it's often possible that people have to put up with some pain all their life. The trick then is to get to a point that the pain is minimized without making the condition worse.
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It sounds like you're at a stage that you can control your problem pretty good by strengthening your legs and ensuring you don't overdue it.

However, when that condition gets significant, it's possible to be in a situation where exercise will never leave a person "pain free". Hence, it's often possible that people have to put up with some pain all their life. The trick then is to get to a point that the pain is minimized without making the condition worse.


Yep, this is exactly where I'm at. Its a very difficult condition to overcome entirely, mainly because you're predisposed to it.
I will say though that gluteal strengthening is very important for PFS as they can take some of the load off the VL in tracking your knee; there are dozens of exercises that help strengthen every part of this muscle group, which a good PT should be able to show you
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it is difficult to say...you are in trouble
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Mike,
Back in November 2005 you stated that your knees were getting better after addressing the ITB and VMO issues. Has the progress stopped??? I've been dealing with patellar tendinitis / PFS since the end of January and sometimes wonder if I will ever get back to normal. How has your recovery been?
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Yes I have still been having problems. I'm 17. My knee pain started around Febuary 2005. I was diagnosed that I most likely had PFS. The pain was sharp and even walking for short distances aggrevated it. November 2005 I started using a foam roller and leg lifts with electronic muslce stimulation. I believed that has helped. My left knee has pretty much cleared up and am not really experiencing problems from it. Since Nov. my right knee pain pretty much gone up and down. My knee starts to feel pretty good and I try to get back into cycling and running but my knee gets aggrevated again. My pain is always on the outside of my knee. I also experience occassional popping in the knee which suggests mal tracking. Most of the time the pain is fairly minimal but it's always there. To keep the inflammation down I was taking NSAIDS. I have switched to Asprin since taking NSAIDS long term isn't great on your body. I am also taking Glucosamine supplement.

Has anyone else experienced persistant outer knee pain? Another cyclist I know is having the same problem with outer knee pain and cycling. I am going to see my sports medicine doctor again and see what he thinks. It is soo frustraiting not being able to exercise. I miss cycling so much. I would do anything to be able to ride again.
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