Flyer has been banned!

lumpy

I guess he crossed the line somewhere. His posts devolved as time went by - as did his politeness. He had some valid points but how he got them across was what doomed him I think.

It's nice to see the mods keeping a lid on things - Thanks mods!

MJtje

Well I don't know..........oke everybody got tired of his rants.....but he did prove some points which (speaking of myself) I wasn't aware of!

I really think he knows a lot about doping, but his problem is that 100% of his posts are about doping and that when you disagree with him you are a pro-doper, pro-advertising, pro blalaala...etc!!

Still I think that he shouldn't be banned, if he's banned, because we still don't know why???

Euphoric

well, this part of the forum is about doping, so yeah all he did talk about here was doping. Did he on other parts of the board? i dont know.

but imo if he was banned for posting what he did in this part of the board, thats a load of crap imo.

Hes got every right to argue and express his opinion on doping here.
If he was off spouting about it in the nutrition section or something, then ok, but here? I saw no issues with his post and the only reason I can see is a mod got tired of seeing his posts about doping in the sport. I didnt see him threatening people. Just arguing back and disagreeing with them. Even if he called some names, big whoops, He got more flak from people then he gave out to them.

Unless he was banned for something else, he should be unbanned.

Let us know what happend .

MJtje

Well he also posted on the regular forums (the reason was we were feeding him; we were the ones that responded to his rants and thus he responded back).........still no reason to ban him!

Woud like to know the reasons behind this..................?

Bjørn P.Dal

what a load of crap. trollish behaviour yes, but he had many good points.

mods: you can go back to sniffing some blood doped neo pros bibs now.

Beastt

Apparently, some here learned his techniques well. No one seems to know the particular reasons he was banned but most seem to feel justified in condemning the action without knowing the details. That sounds pretty much like Flyer tactics to me.

Having said that, IF... IF... he was banned just for expressing his views, (which I find highly doubtful), then I find the action to be inappropriate. But having my fair share, (and then some), of contact with him I don't find it hard to believe that he crossed the lines concerning rudeness and by more than a bit.

Suppose we save our judgements until we actually find out, (assuming we ever do), what the reason(s) for the ban were? Would that be such a terrible thing?

In my experience here, the mods are not only fair, but tend to bend over backward to avoid making issues over minor infringements. After having been to some other forums, I would suggest that the moderators here are exemplary in knowing when to step in and when to simply let an issue seek its course. I've seen people continually cross the line with myself an others and am unaware of any moderator action. I assume if no complaints are made, the moderators simply monitor the situation.

I don't know that Flyer violated the rules to a serious degree, but I have no problem believing that he could have. If he did, then I'm sure he was warned before he was banned. If he didn't, then there is an issue. But since nobody seems to know for sure, any beratement of the moderators seems to me, to be completely out of line.

MJtje

Well let the moderators speak up then.........it seems that the general view is: 'why the hell did he get banned'......

So moderators........?????

TiMan

I liked him.....he was a good dude...and what he said I agreed with 100% as I was a doper once and know a few things about what is "going on" even as a Cat 1 in the USA.

Anyone know what other forums he posts on?

Jon Jonson

MJtje is right. If the moderators choose to ban a regular contributer to this forum, one in which a lot of people engage with, I think they owe it to us to explain why s/he was banned.

After all, it is a community; shouldn't the members of the community be consulted? Not to speak for others, but I have a problem when some unknown entity makes decisions on my behalf.

With that said, the unintentional irony of the banning is almost comic. It does nothing more than reinforce the point that Flyer was making -- i.e. everything is fine and good as long as people are making money and no one rocks the boat. Lance et al. are Gods, they achieve results by hard work only, Flyer is banned, so everyone can go back to sleep.

Good night. You've effectively made this forum irrlelevant.

House

He did private message threats to me and the fact that he constantly accused people of doping and at least one person of selling drugs probably had something to do with the banning. I am sure the fact that at least 50% of his posts were merely reposts and he would bring up year old threads with a repost just to clog up the forum probably had something to do with it as well.

VeloFlash

I would speculate that there could have been legal intervention here.

If Cyclingforums allowed Flyer to carry on savaging reputations without evidence then the Forum administrators could be held legally accountable.

BTW, it is not difficult to sleuth who Flyer is in real life. Certainly not an ex European pro and Cat 1 with Olympic medals in his safe. Maybe some lawyers have succeeded in that direction also.

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Beastt

There may be issues of privacy and propriety involved here. If you were banned with good reason, would you want the moderators sharing the reasons with everyone on the forum?

Beastt

I'm not personally familiar with the internal structure of the forum. But if it is like most I've seen, it is privately owned and therefore, any "right to know" normally granted a community who joiintly own the sight, doesn't apply. If I own a server and decide to sponsor a forum, I retain the right to ban anyone I please for any reason. It's personal property.

Having said that, I agree that there is a feeling of community here and that it may be in the interest of maintaining that community construct to share information on a case by case basis. But this must also be balanced against a member's right to privacy.

stormer94

Good.

I think it's reasonably obvious why he's gone... We aren't "owed" anything by the moderators. They moderated, and the forums are a calmer, happier place. That's what moderators do, remove the trouble. Whatever this guys beef was with apparently every pro rider in the world, he crossed to many lines when dealing with the people that chose to communicate with him.

A forum is like a house. I'm not surprised he is no longer a house guest here. He was rude, accusatory, insulting. No house needs that. Good debate is fine, but no need to insult everyone while doing it and getting personal with attacks, that's over the line. Now he's gone, big surprise...

I'm sure he'll re-join somehow... won't be hard to see when he does.

Adios and good riddance.

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