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Old 15-06.-2005, 12:36 AM   #1
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as , according to the experts , each child molester has an average of 197 victims before being caught ( a university student of about 24 was recently arrested and admitted to raping more than a 100 children ( babies???? ) then it has always seemed unlikely that Michael Jackson was guilty because this is a serial behavior thing : you find what you like then do it again and again , like all sexual behavior , so that if the accusations were true then there would have been literally hundreds of victims coming out of the woodwork - see the catholic church scandals .
Jackson is weird , but we´ve known that for decades but he is not a pederast on the evidence we´ve seen up to now , and I don´t think we´ll see more evidence as the years pass .
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Old 15-06.-2005, 01:50 AM   #2
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"according to the experts , each child molester has an average of 197 victims before being caught ( a university student of about 24 was recently arrested and admitted to raping more than a 100 children ( babies???? )"

Your 'experts' are off by about x10. There are about 100 registered child molester in a three county area around Atlanta, Ga. With your experts figures, there would be 197,000 victims.
The figure is probably closer to 19.7 victims. Nevertheless, your point about their continuing what makes them feel good is true.
But, thanks to outstanding organizations like ACLU and Amnesty International, we cannot keep these citizens in prisons, or hospitals forever. They must be allowed to serve their time, get released, and then continue to do what makes them feel good. Isn't that right, Jessica Lunsford? Well, isn't it? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot....you were raped and buried alive by a 'reformed pervert."

As far as Michael Jackson is concerned...Put his parents in jail for screwing him up (or for knowing he was becoming this screwed up) And, in the next cell, put any parents that would allow their child to spend the night with Michael Jackson.
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Old 15-06.-2005, 02:35 AM   #3
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as , according to the experts , each child molester has an average of 197 victims before being caught ( a university student of about 24 was recently arrested and admitted to raping more than a 100 children ( babies???? ) then it has always seemed unlikely that Michael Jackson was guilty because this is a serial behavior thing : you find what you like then do it again and again , like all sexual behavior , so that if the accusations were true then there would have been literally hundreds of victims coming out of the woodwork - see the catholic church scandals .
Jackson is weird , but we´ve known that for decades but he is not a pederast on the evidence we´ve seen up to now , and I don´t think we´ll see more evidence as the years pass .



The statistic that is missing is how many of these case go unreported.The estimates of these unreported cases vary in magnitude of number depending on which expert is doing the estimating but all agree that they exist.
Thats pretty scary when you consider the possibilities.
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any child molester no matter how many times should get the death penalty. they are sick in the head. enough said!
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any child molester no matter how many times should get the death penalty. they are sick in the head. enough said!



Idiots that make statements like the one above should get the death sentence! As for your statistics...give me a break. The vast majority of child abuse is NOT done by strangers, its done buy relatives and friends of the victim. To say that the average child molester abuses 197 children before being caught is ridiculous. People who abuse children are created, in most part by their own abuse, they are sick and require alot of work to reintegrate back into society. These pathetic morons that throw massive tantrums when they here a released child abuser may move into their neighborhood (probably because they dont want the competition for the little girls) or make stupid statements like they should all be killed contribute vastly to the re-offense rate!
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Idiots that make statements like the one above should get the death sentence! As for your statistics...give me a break. The vast majority of child abuse is NOT done by strangers, its done buy relatives and friends of the victim. To say that the average child molester abuses 197 children before being caught is ridiculous. People who abuse children are created, in most part by their own abuse, they are sick and require alot of work to reintegrate back into society. These pathetic morons that throw massive tantrums when they here a released child abuser may move into their neighborhood (probably because they dont want the competition for the little girls) or make stupid statements like they should all be killed contribute vastly to the re-offense rate!

You wouldn't be saying that if it happened to your child.
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Idiots that make statements like the one above should get the death sentence! As for your statistics...give me a break. The vast majority of child abuse is NOT done by strangers, its done buy relatives and friends of the victim. To say that the average child molester abuses 197 children before being caught is ridiculous. People who abuse children are created, in most part by their own abuse, they are sick and require alot of work to reintegrate back into society. These pathetic morons that throw massive tantrums when they here a released child abuser may move into their neighborhood (probably because they dont want the competition for the little girls) or make stupid statements like they should all be killed contribute vastly to the re-offense rate!


You're obviously not a parent.
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There's a reason that child molesters have a tough time surviving in prison.
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There's a reason that child molesters have a tough time surviving in prison.


The only thing worse than a child molester is a.......... hell there is nothing worse.
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Idiots that make statements like the one above should get the death sentence! As for your statistics...give me a break. The vast majority of child abuse is NOT done by strangers, its done buy relatives and friends of the victim. To say that the average child molester abuses 197 children before being caught is ridiculous. People who abuse children are created, in most part by their own abuse, they are sick and require alot of work to reintegrate back into society. These pathetic morons that throw massive tantrums when they here a released child abuser may move into their neighborhood (probably because they dont want the competition for the little girls) or make stupid statements like they should all be killed contribute vastly to the re-offense rate!

"...they are sick and require alot of work to reintegrate back into society."
Speaking of stupid statements, please tell me how someone's "stupid statements like they should all be killed" contributes vastly to the re-offense rate? You think that it is someone else's fault that these people commit these crimes. You think that someone must be blamed...just not the one committing the crime.
It is dangerous, naive, thinking like this that contributes to the extremely high recidivism amongst child molesters.
I have found that many people who think like this have spent most of their 'adult' life in college (I too am a college grad) and not in the real world.
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You wouldn't be saying that if it happened to your child.


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You're obviously not a parent.


But someone with a child is likely to be much more emotionally involved when a topic like this one arises, and hence less able to discuss and analyse it using only strict logic and reason, which is the only way for complicated organisations like a justice system to operate effectively.

Child abuse is definitely a very very bad thing and if I were a parent I would surely feel more strongly about it than I currently do (and as I point out above, that is probably not a good thing). But I find it bizarre that child abusers are loathed so much more than, for example, murderers, rapists and drunk drivers, all of whom, it can easily be argued, are just as (or more) harmful to society and to their victims.
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But someone with a child is likely to be much more emotionally involved when a topic like this one arises, and hence less able to discuss and analyse it using only strict logic and reason, .
someone without a child cannot possibly understand fully the emotional hell that a parent would go through if the situation arises and doesnt know what they are talking about.

its not about logic or reason, if it were then there would be no child molestors.

if i found myself in the situation, the molestor would have to be in prison, its the only place he would be safe from me...i would hunt him/her down and kill them...this isnt logical or reasonable either.
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But someone with a child is likely to be much more emotionally involved when a topic like this one arises, and hence less able to discuss and analyse it using only strict logic and reason, which is the only way for complicated organisations like a justice system to operate effectively.

Child abuse is definitely a very very bad thing and if I were a parent I would surely feel more strongly about it than I currently do (and as I point out above, that is probably not a good thing). But I find it bizarre that child abusers are loathed so much more than, for example, murderers, rapists and drunk drivers, all of whom, it can easily be argued, are just as (or more) harmful to society and to their victims.



I, and I am sure many others here will take that argument. Most murderers commit one crime,usually in the heat of emotion,and it's over never to be repeated.
As far as rapists,child molesters are rapists of the lowest form.
Child molesting is an ongoing pattern that is usually repeated over and over.
Drunk driving is bad ,but each time a drunk driver takes the wheel they increase the risk of causing harm. Each time a child molester strikes ,they cause tremendous harm.Every time!
Children are helpless unknowing creatures for the most part and as you get older you will appreciate this fact more.
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if i found myself in the situation, the molestor would have to be in prison, its the only place he would be safe from me...i would hunt him/her down and kill them...this isnt logical or reasonable either.[/QUOTE]


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I, and I am sure many others here will take that argument. Most murderers commit one crime,usually in the heat of emotion,and it's over never to be repeated.
As far as rapists,child molesters are rapists of the lowest form.
Child molesting is an ongoing pattern that is usually repeated over and over.
Drunk driving is bad ,but each time a drunk driver takes the wheel they increase the risk of causing harm. Each time a child molester strikes ,they cause tremendous harm.Every time!
Children are helpless unknowing creatures for the most part and as you get older you will appreciate this fact more.


All this is true, of course. But if I was married with kids and I was presented with two scenarios, one in which one of my kids was molested, and another in which my wife was murdered, I would think overall the most harm is done in the second case. Someone who has been molested as a child at least has a chance of recovering and leading a normal life, but if a murderer or drunk driver kills a mother or a father or for that matter any relative, that is guaranteed to cause irreparable damage and really wreck people's lives (not to mention the victim, who loses their life altogether). Obviously it depends on circumstance but I just think that in general, it is odd that people have SO much more abhorrence for child molesters than for the other types of criminal I mentioned.
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