Calling Out Flyer

House

I am calling you out. The past few days I have been active on this forum and I have found out a few things that I am calling you out on:

1) Step up and answer questions directly. Every thread I have been in you nimbly avoid any direct answers. Happens in other threads I found. Step up and be a man.

2) You make all these claims of people you "talked to" or "know" yet somehow they never have names, just things like "Italian U-23 Champion" or "doctor." Anybody as obsessed as you can just make these things up, give us something that we can believe.

I am going to bet that you won't do either of these things and will either hide from this thread or somehow turn it into you Lance/Cycling Hate crusade.

House

Wow, what do you know he avoids answering any questions and turns it into his cycling hate crusade. Thanks for proving what type of person you really are...for anyone who doesn't already know.

micron

House, why do you equate Flyer's desire to see a clean sport with hating the sport? That's Armstrong's position isn't it? Anyone who says there is doping in the sport hates the sport and wants to destroy it? Is it not possible that anyone who hates doping in the sport wants to see a clean sport and is angered and embittered by the seeming impossibility of that happening and by the waste of life? I would love the sport to be clean but I don't believe the way to do that is to vilify the riders who have the guts to be whistleblowers. I would be interested to know what your exact position on doping in the peloton is?

NRW77

It is both cool and honorable to call people out anonymously on internet messsage boards. No, really. Kewl.

NW

House

I am totally against doping and I think in proven/realistic cases (i.e. Garzelli and probenecid at the Giro was an obvious crock) a lifetime ban is warrented. My problem with Flyer is not is dislike of doping, it's his burning need to turn everything into his crusade, his ignoring anything that doesn't fit his agenda, his lack of balls to answer any questions directly. There is a difference in saying you hate doping and apparently trying to convince everyone on a message board that your beloved sport is actually just a fraud by shoving it (well part of it that fits your agenda) down their throats. Flyer is the message board person who baffles me: Spending so much time posting messages intended to turn people against the sport that the board is about.

DV1976

This is your interpretation though and I don't think it is correct. There is a clear distinction between professional cycling (with all its sins) and the sport of cycling (with all its virtues). I really don't want to speak for Flyer but the impression I get is that is the former that he is criticizing not the latter... And in any case professional cycling is no different to any other professional sport. Professionalism = doping...

DV1976

House

You didn't do shit, you like to imagine what people are saying. I have never defended doping, but I also don't rant about it and claim everyone is a doper and a fraud while lying about and leaving out parts of the "proof" You are a tiny little man who is too much of a coward to step up and take my challenge. Obviously you have some severe emotional issues that force to spend all of your life on a hate crusade against something you claim to love.

House

Where is the list of people who have won races and not been busted? Oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda of hate.


Still waiting for you to step up and take the challenge.

tcklyde

I don't agree with a lot of Fyler's Evidence, but man, as today's news about Hondo proves, Flyer has a point. As I've said before, if Hondo is positive, he should be banned for life. As should every single other cheater, amature or pro, no matter what his age.

Dope is cheating and it is embarrassing to our sport and though Flyer's dope posts can get annoying we all need to read them because the history of cycling really can't be separated from dope. Cycling is a noble sport -- but it's also a corrupt one and has been for decades.

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Harry

House

We don't need to read his posts because they are merely regurgitation of things we all know already, often times filled with lies, half-truths and usually editing out anything that could possibly make them wrong. He is obsessed with the notion of somehow making everyone on this board hate procycling as much as he obviously does. As someone else said, he's like those ultra religious people who feel everyone should convert to their religion and insist on trying to sell it over and over and over. All it does is make people hate you.