Why do people feel the need to start and perpetuate DOPING rumors?

mjolnir2k

I constantly see people post threads regarding doping. While I am fine with discussing the perils of drug use and professional athletics, I just don't understand why certain individuals think they have the right to post un-factual innuendo as truths.

Do I believe that there is doping in the world of sports, absolutely. Do I have disdain for those PROVEN to have used performance enhancing substances, definitley.

That being said, if there is NO PROOF other than speculation regarding any individual, then it's not right to point fingers just because some athletes are more successful than others.

I think there is a lot of anti-American, Anti-Lance sentiment on these forums and certain people are so desperate to make excuses as to why their favorite riders are not winning that they have to make up stories.

If there is concern about the dangers of doping, then why not just stick to that aspect of it. Why is there a CONSTANT mud slinging about athletes who have NEVER tested positive for ANY banned substance?

I think it's hatred and jealousy that fuels these people and they hide behind a cloak of "we are concerned for the health and safety of the children", when they are really just all about smearing Lance's name.

I am sure I will get lot's of replies that state I am out of touch with what's going on in Pro Cycling, but at least I can stick to the facts.

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Perro Loco

I tend to agree with you. A lot of what has been posted about "proof" borders on "conspiracy thoeries" . Some features I posted in another thread

Detractors believe

1. Not backed up by sufficient evidence.
2. Phrased in such a way as to be unfalsifiable.
3. Improbably complex.

Subscribers believe

1. Those powerful people involved in the conspiracy hide, destroy, or obfuscate evidence.
2. Skeptics / apologists are not (in their opinion) prepared to keep an open mind.
3. Skeptics / apologists may be politically motivated and have a vested interest in the status quo.

If you look at this a lot that has been presented as "proof" and defense of this "proof" falls into these categories.

tcklyde

Ugh. Did we really need *another* doping thread?

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BanditManDan

I agree, at least this thread is dealing with peoples opinions as opposed to rumors & sudo-facts based on opinion.

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micron

so the ex-pro quoted in velo news saying that Epo made him capable of pedalling at high cadence for long periods of time was dealing in conjecture or fact?

mjolnir2k

No, it means that he has admitted to using EPO and any discussions about him using EPO are factual and therefore fair game.

It does not mean, however, that because one pro admitted to it that ALL are guilty of it, which is what tends to happen around here (one rider in particular).

That is what I am saying. Discuss those proven to be guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt to your hearts content, but don't paint everyone with the same brush for convenience sake.

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snyper0311

Well done mjolnir2k! You speak the truth! I do have to say though, it is only two or three individuals who seem to have a bad disdain for anything American. They know who they are! I'm sure you will come under fire for this but you had the Cajones to get it out there!

BanditManDan

I couldn't have said it better myself.....so I won't.

Dan.

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BanditManDan

Perhaps your missing the point. Nobody is saying that the atheletes that get caught are un-true or fictional. What IS being said is that too many people are claiming that others are doping when there is no proof to back it up. Bottom line here is that some people are addicted to unverifiable Speculation. We need to stick with facts and not rumors.

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mjolnir2k

Sigh, we've already argued these points in 2 seperate threads and you are still oblivious to what my point is.

YOU do not have ANY dead cyclists, YOU do not have World Champions going down, YOU do not have any connection to David Millar (or anyone else for that matter) because YOU have no connection to any of these people.

How do YOU know what Bob Roll, Phil Liggett & Paul Sherwin know or do not know. Have YOU personally spoken to them? Do they write their secret thought to YOU?

YOU persist in painting an entire sport with the same brush and have no discretionary ability to discern truth from rumor.

If YOU hate those who cycle so much, why don't YOU remove yourself from it's influence and find another hobby to criticize.

Recognize it's YOU who perpetuates rumor while solving nothing. It's YOU who seek to denigrate the sport for your own pleasure while illuminating nothing. It's YOU who harbor your own hatred for certain individuals and allow that hatred to color your opinions.

Is there doping in sports, absolutely. Do YOU know who the dopers are, absolutely NOT. YOU never have, but apparently that is not enough to stop YOU from casting a bad light on all.

once again..for good measure:
is doping BAD..YES IT IS, but NOT ALL CYCLISTS USE DRUGS, SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY ARE THAT TALENTED. I realize this is beyond your ability to comprehend.

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mjolnir2k

That's MY point..I Can't name the clean cyclists any more than YOU can name the dirty ones. Because NEITHER of us knows for a fact. The difference is that I don't pass rumor as fact like you do.

If I were you, then I would say that EVERY cyclist is clean because Lance did not test positive for doping, right? that's how your logic works...

How about this test of your logic:
YOU are a pedophile! You work with teens right? I know for a FACT that there have been people who worked with teens and who have been arrested for molesting them. YOU work with teens, so by YOUR logic YOU are a pedophile who molests teens.

Idiotic, isn't it?...NOW DO YOU GET IT?????

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