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01-12.-2004, 01:34 PM
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mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
mike vandeman is a annoying, stuck up enviromentalist who believes he is to good for bikers and pretty much everyone. I urge you to look at his website-http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/index.htm, "its a lot of bs". I think the enviroment is importent but he has taken it WAY to far. He has a grudge against rei, a store which supports the enviroment, he should shut up and go appreciate nature, however i find nature a lot more fun in mid air on my bike
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01-12.-2004, 01:45 PM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
Wow that guy has gone off the deep end and needs to get some help!
While I agree that there are certain areas that should be off limits to just about everyone I can't see the point in banning mountain bikes from so many places.
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01-12.-2004, 03:49 PM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
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Spend a few minutes lurking on the alt.mountain-bike portion here and you'll have decent idea of just how much of a troll vandeman is. The two most common mistakes "we" make are: assuming he is a witless troll unequipped for debate and that we give any credence at all to his posts by responding to him. He's a pile and wants to goad others into showing all the reasons he's right. Ignore him even though it's difficult from time to time... Kraig... |
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01-12.-2004, 11:55 PM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
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You can't ignore a wacko like this one. He's just the kind of jerk that will get us banned from everything except "Rails to Trails". You have to attack his philosophy at every opportunity otherwise we'll end up with another form of prohibition and a further loss of our rights. Attack, Attack, Attack. |
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02-12.-2004, 12:27 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
He tried to take up the issue of the environmental destruction of MTB riding here in Japan. What he failed to mention is that a large proportion of MTB riding here is in plantation forests that are going to be clearfelled within 10 years time. I think there is a MUCH more important environmental issue at stake here......
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03-12.-2004, 11:23 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
Seriously, of all the environmental threats one could choose to tackle, why go after a group of generally pro-environment guys and gals whose hobby envolves trying to preserve green space and riding vehicles that produce zero emissions?
Whatever though, I've read some of the guy's diatribes on the alt.mountain-bike section, and he's quite the piece of work. |
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05-12.-2004, 06:20 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
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Yea, exactly what I always thought. What is he trying to accomplish here by attacking people who already have a concern for nature and a love for it? He'd be more useful if he went out and jumped infront of a car in the name of the environment. He's a grade A tool. |
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05-12.-2004, 07:12 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
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The problem with these extreme people is that conservation and recreation have no place to co exist in their minds. I hike, run, backpack, and ride. I love riding the most. While backpacking in Yellowstone, where bikes are not allowed, i noticed severe trail erosion in some places. Trail erosion caused by the 1000 lb cookie cutters that ARE allowed on many trails where bikers are not due to "erosion" concerns. I DO wish more mountain bikers were more trail concious, but unfortunately, you always have the idiots in the group... I love the part in the site where they accuse MTB of attracting the unsavory people that love to travel off trail. I've seen it first hand. Also seen in by hikers and backpackers, as well. Ban them, too? |
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08-01.-2005, 10:48 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
I've been posting at alt.mountain-bike for 10+ years now. He's been there as long as I have. He is a delusional freak who has lost all sense of reality. He will twist whatever you say to prove that you are lying or stupid. If you get aggresive with him he will take it as a "death threat", no joke. There is no point in arguing with him as nothing you say will change his point of view. Plus it's all been said before. On the other hand if you want to have a little fun with him, reply al you want. Just remember to trim the post so you aren't hogging bandwidth.
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18-01.-2005, 09:53 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
Wow these are the people I love to hate! Yes some of his points are valid but a trail will erode regardless of how it is travelled hikers, mtb, etc as it is dirt without natural items like plants to prevent erosin, now to rant slightly, then there should be no trails! Then there will be less knowledge and appreciation of wilderness areas so the next generation will be disattached and have even less problem putting a parking lot there problem solved! NO wilderness no arugument, now everyone is screwed, awesome! By the way mabey if we were'nt generally a friendly group we could be like the mountian biker in his website swearing at people, how about the hikers that litter or the dumbass nailing on his rear brake actually doing damage to the trail or the (enter dumb action here) some one else is doing. All he wants to do is argue with us with his pig headed one way opinions instead of looking at solutions which could fix potential problems. Oh well were stuck hearing about him for now
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23-01.-2005, 04:50 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
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I know around my neck of the woods, horses due more damage to trails then MTBS. |
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29-01.-2005, 03:28 PM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
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If you mess with him a while, you will realize he actually does want to ban all trails. seriously. His main goal is to create "human free" enviroment. Talking to him is a waste of time, unless you are entertained by him. Here is the Mike Vandeman FAQ, which is hard to find these days since the man tries to sue eveyone who hosts it: http://groups-beta.google.com/group...792a0978cff7338
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29-01.-2005, 03:49 PM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
Man what an idiot. Anyone who is a backpacker has seen the damage horses can do to a trail. FAR more severe than any bike. So why is it that the environmentalists aren't screaming to ban horses? Hmmmm.
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21-02.-2005, 06:41 AM
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Re: mike vandeman-stupid enviromentalist
Mike is well known for his trolling of mountain bike forums and discussion groups. Ignore him as he actually makes no real arguments. Out of interest I emailed him and tried to ask decent questions, the result including the point where he starts insulting me can be seen at
www.geocities.com/mike_vandeman_the_extremist The website is no where near finished but the important bit, the emails, is up. Enjoy  |
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30-03.-2005, 07:09 PM
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Yes, but that's his point exactly ...
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You see, his master thesis is that when more people recreate, there will be more trail erosion. And if biking allows more recreation, than it must be banned and confined to areas where proper maintenance is done (like rail trails). The REAL story is this guy is the king HOHA (Hateful Old Hiker Associate). He wants to go out on trails and be all by himself. The problem comes in when he is passed by mountain bikers (who are occasionally rude). There are certainly rude hikers, but they don't pass him so often. The most obscene stupidity of this guy is his assertion that bikes were made for paved surfaces. In fact, the advent of bicycle technology happened at a time when there were very few paved roads. Most roads were ..... DIRT!!!! Well those are roads, they are maintained. Well said, and perhaps we should invest a little time an effort into trail design and maintenance that minimizes erosion. The guy is nuts. But his insanity is a profound selfishness that is often pervasive in our society. No one in their right mind would go driving and expect to be alone. That's a public space, and you have to share it with others. Somehow this HOHA (and others like him) expect to go out into parks (public spaces) and be alone. I have an uncle in Missouri who bought 1000 acres of land so he could hunt without 200 other guys in orange vests surrounding him. He built two lakes and a cabin and he is perfectly happily alone. No mountain bikers disturb him. If HOHAs want to be "ALONE" on single use trails, they need to do some private land aqcuisition and build their "hiker only" trails. Until then, they'll have to share the space maintained by public institutions and tax monies. PS, the guy DOES have a point that mountain bikers need to do more work to maintain trails. So PLEASE if you don't volunteer at your local trail, GO VOLUNTEER!!!! |
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