Pls Help Me Choose $14oo Rd Bike

cate hall

My mind is thoroughly boggled by choice & lots of newly aquired tech info,so I would really appreciate any advice/feedback.

cate hall

don't know what happened then it posted before I'd finished [newbie to computers as well as fancy bikes]I've used MTB for 2yrs to commute daily & have recently cranked up level of interest in in riding longer distances eg all day rides with a view to building up to abit of touring.I want abike that will to all this.So far I'm looking at-Avanti Blade comp/Shogun MetroLX/Marin Bear../Merida Speeder3.TheGiant Perigee is too heavy.
Does anyone know anything about these.
Thanks

D&M Johnston

Hi Cate

I think you might be interested in having a look at the new Mongoose Rondenner(i think that's how
it's spelt). It's designed speciffically with commutting and touring in mind and it's quite cheap
for a tourer, around $1,200 . If you go to the newsagents and try to find a mag called Australian
Cyclist, the Rondenner is displayed in the current issue towards the back half of the mag. It was
given an ok write up as well. In fact I want to have a good look at this bike as well.

Regards DJ "cate hall" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> don't know what happened then it posted before I'd finished [newbie to computers as well as
> fancy bikes]I've used MTB for 2yrs to commute daily & have recently cranked up level of
> interest in in riding longer distances eg all day rides with a view to building up to abit of
> touring.I want abike that will to all this.So far I'm looking at-Avanti Blade comp/Shogun
> MetroLX/Marin Bear../Merida Speeder3.TheGiant Perigee is too heavy. Does anyone know anything
> about these. Thanks
>
>
>
> --
> >--------------------------<
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Adrian

"cate hall" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:3e8c2245$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...
> don't know what happened then it posted before I'd finished [newbie to computers as well as
> fancy bikes]I've used MTB for 2yrs to commute daily & have recently cranked up level of
> interest in in riding longer distances eg all day rides with a view to building up to abit of
> touring.I want abike that will to all this.So far I'm looking at-Avanti Blade comp/Shogun
> MetroLX/Marin Bear../Merida Speeder3.TheGiant Perigee is too heavy. Does anyone know anything
> about these. Thanks
>

You might be very interested in the Specialized Sequoia. The Expert is about $1500, Shimano 105,
drop bars, very comfortable as commuting / day ride bike. Suitable for light touring (front forks
are carbon and would suggest avoiding any panniers there). But has appropriate brazeons for the
rear, accomodates up to 28 tyre... Well I love it anyways... Might as well take a look! Comes in at
under 10Kgs.

John Retchford

"cate hall" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> don't know what happened then it posted before I'd finished [newbie to computers as well as
> fancy bikes]I've used MTB for 2yrs to commute daily & have recently cranked up level of
> interest in in riding longer distances eg all day rides with a view to building up to abit of
> touring.I want abike that will to all this.So far I'm looking at-Avanti Blade comp/Shogun
> MetroLX/Marin Bear../Merida Speeder3.TheGiant Perigee is too heavy. Does anyone know anything
> about these. Thanks
>
Bicycle choice is a personal thing, judging from the variety of types seen on the road. However,
none of the bicycles on your list would be my choice for your aims of long day rides and tours. A
touring bicycle needs:
* reasonably long chain stays to allow a range of tyre sizes to be fitted as well as mudguards if
desired and to provide heel clearance when panniers are fitted. For long day riding you would
probably want 23 or 25 mm tyres, for touring with a load - 28 or 32 mm.
* threaded eyes in front and rear drop outs and on seat stays for pannier rack mounting,
* not too upright riding position to avoid undue jolting of the backside on poor roads,
* a range of hand positions to delay upper body fatigue, including a low one for riding into head
winds. For me this means drop bars,
* a structure with a golden compromise between lowest weight and sufficient stiffness when loaded,
* a range of gears suitable for the range of intended uses and the rider's strength.

The list goes on but this is a start. Some of the bicycles on your list have some of the attributes,
but none have them all. For example, the Avanti Blade Comp seems to have eyes on the drop outs but I
wonder if the chain stays are long enough. The rider position looks far too upright to me for
comfortable and efficient road riding. Perhaps the shock absorbing seat post is fitted in an attempt
to overcome this problem. And why they used we ak radial lacing on the front wheel is beyond me.
Shimano, the stated parts supplier, will not guarantee hubs laced to radial spokes.

Have a look at touring bicycles. Although an endangered species in a polarized market (mountain
bikes, few of which see mountains and road racing bikes, few of which are ever raced) they are
around and to me are the most versatile of all bicycles. Fast enough to train with the racers (motor
permitting), great for commuting (can fit mudguards, carry bags) and, of course, ideal for touring
with their sensible positioning, their spread of useful gears and their load carrying ability. I
would talk to someone who knows touring. My adviser is Ian Christie of Christie Cycles in Hawthorn,
Melbourne.

Good shopping and let the group know what you decide.

John Retchford

Warwick

I wonder how many people have been put off riding because of an inappropriate choice of bike. I own
a racer and race and an MTB and do single track/off road. I rode my MTB with mid range tires to work
the other day and it nearly killed me and was really not a very enjoyable experience - so much
effort compared to a racer.

I know the advantages of MTBs (eg punctures less likely, more comfy, easier gearing etc.), but if
some people knew just how much faster (and in my opinion easier) you can ride a certain distance on
a racer then maybe we would have more cyclists out there.

"John Retchford" <john.retchford@dsto.defence.gov.au> wrote in message
news:b6iklj$ffq$1@foxhound.dsto.defence.gov.au...
>
> "cate hall" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:3e8c2245$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...
> > don't know what happened then it posted before I'd finished [newbie to computers as well as
> > fancy bikes]I've used MTB for 2yrs to commute daily & have recently cranked up level of interest
> > in in riding longer distances eg all day rides with a view to building up to abit of touring.I
> > want abike that will to all this.So far I'm looking at-Avanti Blade comp/Shogun MetroLX/Marin
> > Bear../Merida Speeder3.TheGiant Perigee is too heavy. Does anyone know anything about these.
> > Thanks
> >
> Bicycle choice is a personal thing, judging from the variety of types seen on the road. However,
> none of the bicycles on your list would be my
choice
> for your aims of long day rides and tours. A touring bicycle needs:
> * reasonably long chain stays to allow a range of tyre sizes to be fitted
as
> well as mudguards if desired and to provide heel clearance when panniers
are
> fitted. For long day riding you would probably want 23 or 25 mm tyres,
for
> touring with a load - 28 or 32 mm.
> * threaded eyes in front and rear drop outs and on seat stays for pannier rack mounting,
> * not too upright riding position to avoid undue jolting of the backside
on
> poor roads,
> * a range of hand positions to delay upper body fatigue, including a low
one
> for riding into head winds. For me this means drop bars,
> * a structure with a golden compromise between lowest weight and
sufficient
> stiffness when loaded,
> * a range of gears suitable for the range of intended uses and the rider's strength.
>
> The list goes on but this is a start. Some of the bicycles on your list have some of the
> attributes, but none have them all. For example, the Avanti Blade Comp seems to have eyes on the
> drop outs but I wonder if the chain stays are long enough. The rider position looks far too
> upright to
me
> for comfortable and efficient road riding. Perhaps the shock absorbing
seat
> post is fitted in an attempt to overcome this problem. And why they used
we
> ak radial lacing on the front wheel is beyond me. Shimano, the stated
parts
> supplier, will not guarantee hubs laced to radial spokes.
>
> Have a look at touring bicycles. Although an endangered species in a polarized market (mountain
> bikes, few of which see mountains and road
racing
> bikes, few of which are ever raced) they are around and to me are the most versatile of all
> bicycles. Fast enough to train with the racers (motor permitting), great for commuting (can fit
> mudguards, carry bags) and, of course, ideal for touring with their sensible positioning, their
> spread of useful gears and their load carrying ability. I would talk to someone who knows touring.
> My adviser is Ian Christie of Christie Cycles in Hawthorn, Melbourne.
>
> Good shopping and let the group know what you decide.
>
> John Retchford

Jose Rizal

John Retchford:

> Bicycle choice is a personal thing, judging from the variety of types seen on the road. However,
> none of the bicycles on your list would be my choice for your aims of long day rides and tours. A
> touring bicycle needs:
> * reasonably long chain stays to allow a range of tyre sizes to be fitted as well as mudguards if
> desired and to provide heel clearance when panniers are fitted. For long day riding you would
> probably want 23 or 25 mm tyres, for touring with a load - 28 or 32 mm.
> * threaded eyes in front and rear drop outs and on seat stays for pannier rack mounting,
> * not too upright riding position to avoid undue jolting of the backside on poor roads,
> * a range of hand positions to delay upper body fatigue, including a low one for riding into head
> winds. For me this means drop bars,
> * a structure with a golden compromise between lowest weight and sufficient stiffness when loaded,
> * a range of gears suitable for the range of intended uses and the rider's strength.

For touring, what length chainstays do you suggest, and what are your thoughts on using 26" versus
700c tyres?

John Retchford

"Jose Rizal" <_@_._> wrote in message news:O_7ja.7412$ey1.593518@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> For touring, what length chainstays do you suggest, and what are your thoughts on using 26" versus
> 700c tyres?

Can't remember the length of mine exactly, but they are about 435 mm. Determining a sensible length
during frame design is a fairly simple procedure. Femur length, crank length and where you want the
knee to lie relative to the pedal axle determine the seat tube angle. You then position the bottom
bracket axis. With 700C wheels, a reasonable BB drop (distance below the wheel axles) is 240 mm
minus the crank length. This should give adequate pedal clearance for cornering vigorously. You then
draw in the path of your heel as the cranks rotate and check that there is sensible clearance when
the proposed rack, pannier and chain stay length is used. Check also that the gap between the tyre
and the rear of the seat tube will easily accommodate the largest tyre you are likely to use as well
as a mudguard. Chainstays longer than fashionable have no disadvantages (other than a miniscule
weight increase) and can help gear changing slightly by reducing the chain angle.

I use 700C wheels for touring. I use 23 mm tyres when riding unladen on reasonable roads and wider
tyres when carrying camping gear. The choice of suitable tyres seems greater in this size than in
26". The latter seems more geared towards the cross country market, although devotees tell me they
can find what they want in this size. Larger diameters give lower rolling resistance, but the
difference would be miniscule in this case for comparable tyres.

John Retchford

Andyb

Jose,

"Jose Rizal" <_@_._> wrote in message news:O_7ja.7412$ey1.593518@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> For touring, what length chainstays do you suggest, and what are your thoughts on using 26" versus
> 700c tyres?

My tourer has 44.5cm chainstays and that is usually enough unless I mount the pannier a long way
forward on the rack. I have also put a rack on a Lemond Alpe d'Huez with 41.8cm chainstays. Not much
heel clearance and mounting the rack was a nightmare despite having all the necessary dropouts on
the frame. It will depend on the shape of your panniers too. If you're serious about using panniers,
I'd be looking for 44cm or more.

I like the choices available in 700c tyres. 26" tyres in narrow sizes are hard to find, although
it's easier to find 36 spoke rims in 26" if you're looking for something strong. I run 700X28c tyres
on a fairly standard road rim (Mavic CXP). I have also used the 700x32c continental top touring
tyres on a Rigida box-section rim (slightly wider). With these sized-tyres and by maintaining good
tyre pressure, I haven't had a puncture in 2 years of commuting (about 8000km). Both are 32-spoke
rims and I've had minimal wheel maintenance (none on the Rigida rims despite taking quite a
hammering, the Mavics are fairly new).

Ciao,

AndyB

A - J - S

Are you specifically going to ride road only ? (Then the little light comes on as he reads the
post title

Have you considered a second hand bike ? You should be able to get a much better bike for the
same money.

Personally this is what I would do. I would also have a good look for old stock/run outs.

If you can ride some bikes in a higher price bracket just to give you a feel of the difference
between bikes and types. The difference between a lowish price and medium price bike can be amazing
and may convince you to shop around for a good second.

Most of my riding is done on a Xc race bike and the difference between this and a cheaper bike would
amaze you. The distances I can ride on this in comparison to some of the bikes my friend ride is
astounding (They mostly just think I am fitter than them .

AJS

"cate hall" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> don't know what happened then it posted before I'd finished [newbie to computers as well as
> fancy bikes]I've used MTB for 2yrs to commute daily & have recently cranked up level of
> interest in in riding longer distances eg all day rides with a view to building up to abit of
> touring.I want abike that will to all this.So far I'm looking at-Avanti Blade comp/Shogun
> MetroLX/Marin Bear../Merida Speeder3.TheGiant Perigee is too heavy. Does anyone know anything
> about these. Thanks
>
>
>
> --
> >--------------------------<
> Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com

cate hall

Thanks everyone for your advice I'm quite chuffed.You've convinced me to go for drop bars-before the MTB I always had old style 'racers' & I really miss that feeling of speed.I'll check out the Specialized Sequoia'sounds like it may almost have the Golden Comprimise John R. mentioned.THanks John for all the pointers,I'll contact Christies.

Exciu.se me if I use the terminology incorectly but do you think I should make sure the crankset goes down to 26 or 28 as I still need to go to the easiet gear on some hills.

I guess I'm after more than one bike can give but you never know. I may find one that's as light & fast as poss. for bikepaths& commuting but still strong enough for the touring I don't actually

do yet. Cheers,Cate

Andrew Morris

Who is likely to sell this bike?

I've looked on the Fitzroy Cycles website, also Freedom Machine, but they only appear to sell the
Allez... The Sequoia looks like a bike better suited to my size, and requirements, and budget than
the Allez....

"Adrian" <agb@norti.net> wrote in message news:3e8cbbd6$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> "cate hall" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:3e8c2245$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...
> > don't know what happened then it posted before I'd finished [newbie to computers as well as
> > fancy bikes]I've used MTB for 2yrs to commute daily & have recently cranked up level of interest
> > in in riding longer distances eg all day rides with a view to building up to abit of touring.I
> > want abike that will to all this.So far I'm looking at-Avanti Blade comp/Shogun MetroLX/Marin
> > Bear../Merida Speeder3.TheGiant Perigee is too heavy. Does anyone know anything about these.
> > Thanks
> >
>
> You might be very interested in the Specialized Sequoia. The Expert is
about
> $1500, Shimano 105, drop bars, very comfortable as commuting / day ride bike. Suitable for light
> touring (front forks are carbon and would suggest avoiding any panniers there). But has
> appropriate brazeons for the rear, accomodates up to 28 tyre... Well I love it anyways... Might as
> well take
a
> look! Comes in at under 10Kgs.

Fahren

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew Morris
[B]Who is likely to sell this bike?

I've looked on the Fitzroy Cycles website, also Freedom Machine, but they only appear to sell the
Allez... The Sequoia looks like a bike better suited to my size, and requirements, and budget than
the Allez....

www.goldcross.com.au has Specialized listed and links to Specialized.com which has specs & .PDF brochure on the sequoia range. They probably can order it (don't quote me, I don't know) but they have been pretty helpful in the past.

Adrian

"Andrew Morris" <use.the.newsgroup@to.reply> wrote in message
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> Who is likely to sell this bike?
>
> I've looked on the Fitzroy Cycles website, also Freedom Machine, but they only appear to sell the
> Allez... The Sequoia looks like a bike better
suited
> to my size, and requirements, and budget than the Allez....
>

I'm not sure who would stock that where you are... Try ringing a few stores in your area. With the
number of bikes on display at most places if you don't ask you probably won't find it! The bike has
been out now for a few weeks only but should be about in a few stores. Here in Adelaide a local
store has all three models on the floor.