David Millar busted.

Marty Wallace

http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages...Sto605927.shtml

Must be that time of the year.

Marty

hippy

>Originally posted by Marty Wallace
>http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages...Sto605927.shtml

Yeah, cyclingforums were talking about him being "detained as a
witness".. whatever that means.

Could he be left out of the tour simply for being a 'suspected' doper?

l'equipe isn't exactly the most accurate reporter when it comes to
foreigners doping is it?

Wait and see I guess..

hippy



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Shane Stanley

In article <XOTCc.40935$3n.37332@fe09.usenetserver.com>,
hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:

> Yeah, cyclingforums were talking about him being "detained as a
> witness".. whatever that means.

If you mean cyclingnews, they've now gone with the l'Equipe story: <http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jun04/jun25news2>

> Could he be left out of the tour simply for being a 'suspected' doper?

Yes, the tour organisation would drop him like a hot cake. All the other
French teams have already signed an agreement to the effect that they
will drop anyone under suspicion.
>
> l'equipe isn't exactly the most accurate reporter when it comes to
> foreigners doping is it?

It seems to do a pretty good job of getting hold of confidential papers
from the French police.

What with all this, plus the American track and field lot, it could end
up a much smaller Olympics.

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Shane Stanley

chickasmith

Must say that this is very surprising news about David Millar and him
fessing up to the use of EPO ... I guess the story will continue to unfold
in the coming few days ...

Looks like Bradley McGee might have a free run to that prologue yellow
jersey and this time wont need a derailled chain to help him!


"Marty Wallace" <mart@geo.net.au> wrote in message
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>
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages...Sto605927.shtml
>
> Must be that time of the year.
>
> Marty
>
>

Spider1977

According to cycling forums quoting l'equipe, Millar has now admitted to
using EPO.

The big mouth from Britain is in more trouble than the early settlers.
At least Brad McGee won last years TdF prologue fair and square.

Milla rshould be wiped out of the sport for life, especially after his
vehement denials when the Cofidis affair first broke. What's the bet he
gets a 2 year slap on the wrist from UCI.

BTW when are we going to get the names of the "other five" in the AIS
affair? Or do we have to wait and see which ones grow pony tails?



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Marty Wallace

"Spider1977" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:wNVCc.2674$cl6.653@fe29.usenetserver.com...
> According to cycling forums quoting l'equipe, Millar has now admitted to
> using EPO.
>
> The big mouth from Britain is in more trouble than the early settlers.
> At least Brad McGee won last years TdF prologue fair and square.
>
> Milla rshould be wiped out of the sport for life, especially after his
> vehement denials when the Cofidis affair first broke. What's the bet he
> gets a 2 year slap on the wrist from UCI.
>
> BTW when are we going to get the names of the "other five" in the AIS
> affair? Or do we have to wait and see which ones grow pony tails?
>

The names of the "other five" have been out for a couple of days now. You
obviously don't read newspapers.

Marty

hippy

>Originally posted by Marty Wallace
>>"Spider1977" wrote in message BTW when are we going to get the names
>>of the "other five" in the AIS affair? Or do we have to wait and see
>>which ones grow pony tails?
>
>The names of the "other five" have been out for a couple of days now.
>You obviously don't read newspapers.

Well I don't.. so who are they?! :P

hippy



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flyingdutch

hippy wrote:
> >Originally posted by Marty Wallace
> >>"Spider1977" wrote in message BTW when are we going to get the names
> >>of the "other five" in the AIS affair? Or do we have to wait and see
> >>which ones grow pony tails?
> >
> >The names of the "other five" have been out for a couple of days now.
> >You obviously don't read newspapers.
> Well I don't.. so who are they?! :P
> hippy



Kelly, Lancaster, young-guy-Jobe?, Brown (who wrote in the Age today he
wasnt even in the state last year!!!) and Eadie supposedly

Sounds like the lad is lashing out, purely to make himself look
less stupid!



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Marty Wallace

"hippy" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:7j6Dc.133524$JT2.83535@fe26.usenetserver.com...
> >Originally posted by Marty Wallace
> >>"Spider1977" wrote in message BTW when are we going to get the names
> >>of the "other five" in the AIS affair? Or do we have to wait and see
> >>which ones grow pony tails?
> >
> >The names of the "other five" have been out for a couple of days now.
> >You obviously don't read newspapers.
>
> Well I don't.. so who are they?! :P
>
> hippy
>

Former world champion cyclist Shane Kelly is among five cyclists named by
disgraced former teammate Mark French as having injected legal vitamin
supplements at the Australian Institute of Sport in Adelaide.

The other cyclists named by French in his statement to the Court of
Arbitration for Sport were Olympic hopefuls Sean Eadie, Jobie Dajka, Graeme
Browne and Brett Lancaster.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2...8046228556.html

Marty

Roadie_scum

Spider1977 wrote:
> Milla rshould be wiped out of the sport for life, especially after his
> vehement denials when the Cofidis affair first broke. What's the bet he
> gets a 2 year slap on the wrist from UCI.



Have you never made a mistake in your life? A two year ban from
performing the one activity to which you have dedicated your life,
eliminating the sole form of income you earn, is more than a 'slap on
the wrist'. I'm as down on drug cheats as anyone else, but the riders
are only one aspect of a bigger picture. Life bans for them are
draconian.

How about as well as disciplining riders, we move the focus to the
organisations that encourage it. Directeur-sportif? Coach?
Manager? Soigneur?



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Spider1977

Roadie_scum wrote:
> Have you never made a mistake in your life? A two year ban from
> performing the one activity to which you have dedicated your life,
> eliminating the sole form of income you earn, is more than a 'slap on
> the wrist'. I'm as down on drug cheats as anyone else, but the riders
> are only one aspect of a bigger picture. Life bans for them are
> draconian.
> How about as well as disciplining riders, we move the focus to the
> organisations that encourage it. Directeur-sportif? Coach?
> Manager? Soigneur?



On your first point - please get real. These guys are told and told
about the risks they take both with their health and their careers.
Cycling is becoming an international joke and is now rightly viewed as a
pariah among sports. I find this extremely disappointing.

On your second point I entirely agree with you - give them life bans as
well. It's the only way to clean up the whole mess.



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Roadie_scum

wrote:
> Originally posted by Spider1977 On your first point - please get real.
> I'm not sure what you mean by this. I am real G.
> These guys are told and told about the risks they take both with their
> health and their careers.
> Maybe, but this doesn't mean that the punishment should exceed the crime
> if they do transgress. Also, does the importance of this to you mean you
> think they shouldn't get life bans if they can show they haven't
> received education, or worse and quite likely, were part of a structure
> which actively encouraged doping?
> Cycling is becoming an international joke and is now rightly viewed as a
> pariah among sports.
> I'm not sure about this. Most people I speak to think that drugs in
> sport are a bad thing, but not that it tarnishes only cycling. BALCO?
> Ever seen Inga de Bruyn's expanding jawline? The number of 100m sprint
> (running) olympic finalists with braces? (7/8)
> And drugs don't tarnish the performances of those of us who are clean
> either (at whatever level of the sport we compete).
> I find this extremely disappointing.
> If it were entirely true, so would I. To the extent that doping occurs,
> yes, it is very disappointing.
> On your second point I entirely agree with you - give them life bans as
> well. It's the only way to clean up the whole mess.



I don't believe that my point was that officials and directors should be
given life bans. Financial penalties would likely be more effective.
Life bans negate the possibility of redemption for anyone; they might be
appropriate in the most extreme cases, but they offer negligible value
as a deterrent and there's no reason the punishment shouldn't fit the
crime in sport.



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Mark Lee

In article <G6xDc.124450$k44.3937@fe20.usenetserver.com>, usenet-
forum@cyclingforums.com says...

>>Re: Drug-taking:
> Cycling is becoming an international joke and is now rightly viewed as a
> pariah among sports. I find this extremely disappointing.
>

Is this because more testing and investigation of cyclists takes place
than in other sports?

Cases in point: English Rugby World Cup team - why did they look so much
more "CUT" than other teams? Was it just the shirts?
American Football: do that many men really grow that big and
strong?
American Basketball: how tall?
Who was that Dutch female swimmer - so quick to soften her jawline
by letting her hair out of her cap?
The Irish female swimmer?
100m athletics track sprinter - which one?
Power Lifters?
What's the story with bodybuilders and Hollywood leading men?
The huge Australian heavyweight weightlifting Gold medallist (tuna
fisherman) who went back to being a "90lb weakling" after he finished
competition?

So you say: where's your proof? That's right - because cycling seems to
do more to catch some of its "cheaters" than other sports.

Sometimes it appears there is really only one clean rider in the pro
peloton?

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Mark Lee

Tamyka Bell

Mark Lee wrote:
>
> In article <G6xDc.124450$k44.3937@fe20.usenetserver.com>, usenet-
> forum@cyclingforums.com says...
>
> >>Re: Drug-taking:
> > Cycling is becoming an international joke and is now rightly viewed as a
> > pariah among sports. I find this extremely disappointing.
> >
>
> Is this because more testing and investigation of cyclists takes place
> than in other sports?
>
> Cases in point: English Rugby World Cup team - why did they look so much
> more "CUT" than other teams? Was it just the shirts?

Was it a good/bad/different training program? Did they do a higher level
of endurance training to cut their body fat instead of the
strength/speed/agility based programs that most rugby players do? Did
they consume totally legal fat-metabolisers?

> American Football: do that many men really grow that big and
> strong?

No, they just wear a lot of padding. When you see them without their
padding on they're not that impressive. The dead giveaway that they're
not that huge is their legs.

> American Basketball: how tall?
> Who was that Dutch female swimmer - so quick to soften her jawline
> by letting her hair out of her cap?

Do you mean Inge de Bruen? She's not very pretty, is she. That's
probably why she never got much publicity except for winning races. Was
she really letting her hair out of her cap to soften her jawline? Dunno
about you but I wouldn't care much about how I looked after winning a
huge race. For a start, I'm a triathlete and the first thing I do when I
hit the beach is rip off my goggles and cap. They're uncomfortable, the
goggles are great for underwater but not good on land and the swim cap
gets very hot. It's also the first thing I do at the end of a swim
session. I don't give a shit about softening my jawline.

> The Irish female swimmer?

For a chick, I'm huge, particularly for a distance athlete. I don't use
drugs, never have and never will. It's all left over from when I was
fighting, and lifting weights, and gets maintained with a light
conditioning session once a week.

> 100m athletics track sprinter - which one?

They have been tested, they have been found wanting...

> Power Lifters?

Yeah they scare me. They all put their joints at risk so that they have
to lower the bar less e.g. in the bench where they arch their backs as
much as possible. They should all be taking glucosamine.

> What's the story with bodybuilders and Hollywood leading men?

Brad Pitt was airbrushed in Troy. Sorry girls, I know, I too wanted to
believe.

> The huge Australian heavyweight weightlifting Gold medallist (tuna
> fisherman) who went back to being a "90lb weakling" after he finished
> competition?

Yeah that one is a bit sus, don't know the reference, maybe he got CFS
or something?

>
> So you say: where's your proof? That's right - because cycling seems to
> do more to catch some of its "cheaters" than other sports.
>
> Sometimes it appears there is really only one clean rider in the pro
> peloton?
>
> --
> Mark Lee


It's a sad thing to say but I guess it's a good thing. I mean, it's bad
if the sport gets portrayed badly as a result but it's great that
they're actually doing the testing, checking people out and punishing
them. Hopefully they can clean the sport up.

That being said I really don't think it's fair to question/test people
based on their appearances. Most drugs these days are a lot more hi-tech
than just making women look more masculine, etc., and really, do we need
to rub it in their faces any more? They know they ain't models, they're
athletes.

T