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It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance
performance.... "We found the caffeine had no beneficial effect on resting heart rate, blood pressure, reaction time, concentration, plasma triglycerides, blood glucose or exercise performance," Dr Melissa Crowe, of Queensland's James Cook University said.. http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/...9-23218,00.html |
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> It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance > performance.... Try telling that to Alex Watson, in retrospect. -- |
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This week. What will the findings be next week? Depends on who is paying for
an opinion I guess. "Unregistered" <shareware@cracks.am> wrote in message news:40d3669e$1@news1... > It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance > performance.... > > "We found the caffeine had no beneficial effect on resting heart rate, blood > pressure, reaction time, concentration, plasma triglycerides, blood glucose > or exercise performance," Dr Melissa Crowe, of Queensland's James Cook > University said.. > > > http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/...9-23218,00.html > > |
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Originally posted by Unregistered
>It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance >performance.... Uh.. not exactly.. try reading the whole article: "In endurance sports, caffeine has been shown to help in low amounts" - "Dr Crowe found caffeine could cause tremors, nausea, agitation, hallucinations and an increase in the time taken to reach peak power." Hallucinations?!?! What sort of caffeine were they feeding them?! Sounds like a decaf manufacturer has paid for a study ![]() - What about the other studies that have shown caffeine to have a beneficial effect or no effect? This study sounds excessively negative towards caffeine. - If it is so bad, why do sprinters use it to get their heart rates up before an effort and endurance racers use it to free fat stores for use in place of valuable glycogen stores? My advice - read more than this article before dismissing caffeine. hippy -- |
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"hippy" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:yITAc.30389$fT2.24667@fe30.usenetserver.com... > Originally posted by Unregistered > >It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance > >performance.... > > Uh.. not exactly.. try reading the whole article: > > "In endurance sports, caffeine has been shown to help in low amounts" > > - > > "Dr Crowe found caffeine could cause tremors, nausea, agitation, > hallucinations and an increase in the time taken to reach peak power." > > Hallucinations?!?! What sort of caffeine were they feeding them?! Sounds > like a decaf manufacturer has paid for a study ![]() > > - > > What about the other studies that have shown caffeine to have a > beneficial effect or no effect? This study sounds excessively negative > towards caffeine. > > - > > If it is so bad, why do sprinters use it to get their heart rates up > before an effort and endurance racers use it to free fat stores for use > in place of valuable glycogen stores? > > My advice - read more than this article before dismissing caffeine. > > hippy Gianni Bugno likes his coffee strong and it never slowed him down. Marty "Short white" Wallace |
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Unregistered wrote:
> It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance > performance.... > "We found the caffeine had no beneficial effect on resting heart rate, > blood pressure, reaction time, concentration, plasma triglycerides, > blood glucose or exercise performance," Dr Melissa Crowe, of > Queensland's James Cook University said.. > http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,9881539- > http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,9881539- 23218,00.html bad coffee has a detrimental effect on my performance:-) -- |
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> If it is so bad, why do sprinters use it to get their heart rates up > before an effort and endurance racers use it to free fat stores for use > in place of valuable glycogen stores? The more modern research suggests that this isn't why endurance athletes use caffeine. The advantages are likely to be to do with lowering the level of perceived exertion and possibly changes in muscular chemistry. The main problem is securing a chemically pure form of caffeine fit for human consumption, as there is some evidence other compounds in coffee negate the effect (although my experience suggests it certainly doesn't completely negate the effects). If you want to find out more about caffeine or any other possible ergogenic aid, I recommend the AIS website and the supplement fact sheets available in the sports nutrition section. -- |
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ProfTournesol wrote:
> bad coffee has a detrimental effect on my performance:-) Vote 1 - ProfTournesol !!! <reaches for semi-decent flat-white, inhales aroma and feels semi-ready to take on another day of workin for 'the man'> -- |
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flyingdutch wrote:
> > ProfTournesol wrote: > > bad coffee has a detrimental effect on my performance:-) > > Vote 1 - ProfTournesol !!! > > <reaches for semi-decent flat-white, inhales aroma and feels semi-ready > to take on another day of workin for 'the man'> > > -- I submitted a research progress report the other day, it asked for problems that had delayed me and if solutions had been found. I wrote: Problem - I wasn't drinking enough coffee to be really productive. Solution - Our research group has purchased an espresso machine and grinder. I am back up to several cups per day. I think my supervisor missed it and passed it up through the chain as is. Uh oh. Tam Oh crap, said nothing about bikes. Um, bikes are good. |
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> It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance > performance.... > "l Soooooooooooooo.. that means coffee isn't a racing/training supplement ;-P With a thumbs up to Prof T and Flying Dutch.. bring it on ![]() -- |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:04:00 +1000, Unregistered wrote:
> It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance > performance.... > > "We found the caffeine had no beneficial effect on resting heart rate, blood > pressure, reaction time, concentration, plasma triglycerides, blood glucose > or exercise performance," Dr Melissa Crowe, of Queensland's James Cook > University said.. Geeze, everyone knows that! It's the cake and biscuits you have with the coffee on the break in the middle of your ride that effects performance. -kt |
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have a look at the PDF attachment......
this study shows that caffeine is beneficial I drink flat coke as a pick-me-up on my long rides 4h+ for a long lasting energy boost on the way back. If you ever see a guy with a dark liquid in his 2nd bottle - that's me. "Unregistered" <shareware@cracks.am> wrote: >It's official. Drinking coffee before trainning doesn't enhance >performance.... > >"We found the caffeine had no beneficial effect on resting heart rate, blood >pressure, reaction time, concentration, plasma triglycerides, blood glucose >or exercise performance," Dr Melissa Crowe, of Queensland's James Cook >University said.. > > >http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/...9-23218,00.html > |
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re caffine tests (old one) lve heard that drugs like LSD +cocaine and
caffine were administered to spiders to see their effects on web making.And interestingly enough the coke and LSD spiders carried on with their perfect web making ,but the caffine spider flipped out and made a erratic web!! Spiders can't hack coffee, (it was probably instant coffee full of chemicals!) -- |
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"Meeba" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:94WBc.73539$7Q.56388@fe17.usenetserver.com... > re caffine tests (old one) lve heard that drugs like LSD +cocaine and > caffine were administered to spiders to see their effects on web > making.And interestingly enough the coke and LSD spiders carried on with > their perfect web making ,but the caffine spider flipped out and made a > erratic web!! Spiders can't hack coffee, (it was probably instant coffee > full of chemicals!) > Hmmm... Are you implying that we might be better off dropping tabs of Acid rather than sipping coffee before that Sunday morning ride? A short trip around the park? Marty |
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