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25-07.-2004, 11:41 AM
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Respect worse riders from other nationalities
Armstrong is nowadays the best rider on july, but you american forummates should respect the european riders, that are worse than the americans, whom you seem to underestimate very much and even make fun at them, typical american behaviour??
cry baby simeoni? making fun at beloki, at ullrich.... armstrong will retire one day and you wont find any other rider like him, in spain we know about this after indurains retirement, and knowing you american people, you wouldnt like this attitude back towards americans |
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25-07.-2004, 12:28 PM
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Re: Respect worse riders from other nationalities
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25-07.-2004, 12:49 PM
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Re: Respect worse riders from other nationalities
Actually I'm interested to see how Basso develops over the next few years. I wouldn't mind seeing him do well. He needs to keep improving his time trials.
If another American comes along then that's great, too. As for letting an inferior competitor win because he wants to... I don't agree with that. If he wants to win he needs to earn it. The I'm-so-pathetic-you-have-to-let-me-win stuff doesn't have a place in the highest levels of athletic competition. A lot of guys at the Tour probably deserved a win in some way or another. It's up to them and their teammates to earn it. Eddy crushed people and was a hero. Now Lance says "no gifts" and he's a jerk. I know the situation and I don't have a problem with making someone you have issues with earn any success. They're big boys. Let them play. |
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25-07.-2004, 12:54 PM
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i think its worse the way lance armstrong let basso win in la mongie, like hey you are winning because i am letting you to |
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25-07.-2004, 12:59 PM
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I agree. I would rather see him win the stage unless it takes too much away from his reserves for future stages where he can bank more time. In that case I think he could have. At the same time, I do understand his reasoning, but he should have not commented about letting him win. Just let it happen and say Basso worked hard. Then again, I don't have to deal with accusations of doping, death threats, being spit upon and being boo'd like he does. |
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25-07.-2004, 01:02 PM
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armstrong did with the basso in la mongie and plateau de beille exactly the same he tried to do with pantani in mont ventoux and izoard in 2000, a mutual protection pact, basso seemed to agree and pantani obviously didnt |
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25-07.-2004, 01:04 PM
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Those agreements often fall apart anyway. I'm sure there have been quite a few double-crossings over the years. |
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25-07.-2004, 01:08 PM
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thats right, but basso never tried to do anything, although he has had probably the best chance of winning atour of france, well seing armstrong in the alps he had none, but he was only 1 minute behind after the pyrenees and all he worried about was jan ullrich |
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25-07.-2004, 05:16 PM
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The main difference with this is that Armstrong and Basso are good friends off of the bicycle, hwile Armstrong and Pantani were probably never that close. |
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25-07.-2004, 07:52 PM
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Re: Respect worse riders from other nationalities
simeoni didnt deserve the stage basso did thats the difference!
basso was the only one to stick with armstrong when the others had been dropped this is a competition after all isnt it? and since simeoni and armstrong are like enemies hes not gonna treat him the same as his friend basso is he?! |
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25-07.-2004, 08:11 PM
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You ask for respect for European riders, yet you give none to America's top rider. You are correct, we as Americans don't like this attitude, and we know how it feels, witness what is posted in these forums about our top rider. |
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25-07.-2004, 08:20 PM
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Re: Respect worse riders from other nationalities
European riders need to keep there mouth shut and quit saying they are going to do this and that in the tour. When it comes time to walk the walk, they start crying and get in there car and go home. That is why American's make fun of them. Heras, Mayo, Zubelia, and many others provided me with lots of laughs this TDF.
I have a lot of respect for Ullrich though, his biggest enemy is himself. I look for him to take gold in the olympics, I don't think he's peaked yet. |
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25-07.-2004, 08:50 PM
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Re: Respect worse riders from other nationalities
I think lance was right not to let simeoni have the stage win but i think its getting a bit too personal
Rite now in the tour as i speak simeoni has broken from the peloton and the usps lads and lance are desperately chasing him down i think lance should be playing safe today on the final stage I think the americans wont stop having good cyclists after armstrong there are a lot of good american riders. And i think it's true the europeans put down armstrong but dont like it when the americans do the same back which is a bit hypocritical why do either have to insult the other? |
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25-07.-2004, 09:48 PM
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This is just too bloody rich for words. Yesterday you were beaking off that the Americans best rider was only there because he was doping. Your proof of this accusation -- ZERO! None! Nada! Zilch! You make hateful and disparaging remarks about his personal life, which quite frankly, is no body's business, including you, including me. And today you're snivelling about lack of respect....you got nerve, I'll give you that much. You got more nerve than a freaking toothache. I've got loads of respect for the riders. It's the "fans" I find a little loathsome by days.
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25-07.-2004, 11:21 PM
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"knowing you american people"? You don't know us all individually. I'm American and I like the European riders more than Armstrong, not because I have anything against Lance but I find the others more interesting. My favorite riders are Alexandre Vinokourov, Jens Voigt, Francisco Mancebo.  |
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