Only in Florida . . .

Derek

http://tinyurl.com/35a7x

psycholist

"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Only in Florida is right!

The winner was part-owner of a recumbent bicycle manufacturer and wanted to
prove that they were as efficient as "regular" bikes.

HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the flattest stretch of
road on the planet. I'd like to see him bring that bike up here to the hill
country and we could see how efficient it is here. Sheesh. I didn't see a
picture, but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.

Bob C.

Derek

He was riding this bike

http://tinyurl.com/2u86b

No fairing, but a set of Rotor cranks. . .


"psycholist" <technico@wctel.net> wrote in message
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> "Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Only in Florida is right!
>
> The winner was part-owner of a recumbent bicycle manufacturer and wanted
to
> prove that they were as efficient as "regular" bikes.
>
> HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the flattest stretch
of
> road on the planet. I'd like to see him bring that bike up here to the
hill
> country and we could see how efficient it is here. Sheesh. I didn't see
a
> picture, but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.
>
> Bob C.
>
>

Gerard Lanois

"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> writes:

> http://tinyurl.com/35a7x

What, they don't know the difference between "peddle" and "pedal"?

-Gerard

Derek

Peddle, me? I have no stake in Bacchetta, I just thought the article was
interesting. Nobody asked me to post. I met John Schlitter briefly once
last year at the Cherry Pie crit in Napa.

We were both riding the same type of bike, but my large stomach kept me from
breathing well and my beard kept flying up into my face, so he lapped me a
bunch of times. He's lost a lost of weight in the past year and used to race
as a Cat 2.

I mostly ride uprights, and would like to race with you normal people, but
need to wait until they come up with a Cat 8 or something. . .



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> What, they don't know the difference between "peddle" and "pedal"?
>
> -Gerard

John Smith

"Cho Ituo" bicyclerider@yahoo.com wrote in a message
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How can this happen?

http://tinyurl.com/2h2xl


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Alex Rodriguez

In article <jNlhc.7305$Fo4.89303@typhoon.sonic.net>, derek@sonic.net says...
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>http://tinyurl.com/35a7x

Florida is pretty flat, so I can see a recumbent having an edge. Let
them try that anywhere that isn't flat.
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Alex

Joe Keenan

Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message news:<c666us$b34$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <jNlhc.7305$Fo4.89303@typhoon.sonic.net>, derek@sonic.net says...
> >
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> >http://tinyurl.com/35a7x
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> Florida is pretty flat, so I can see a recumbent having an edge. Let
> them try that anywhere that isn't flat.
> ----------------
> Alex

Alex,

They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The result
being that the UCI changed the definition and dimensions of "bicycle"
to prohibit recumbents, otherwise you'd be riding a different bike
today. Something about mass production and economics. And there's no
way this will ever be settled because the racer wanna bees are raised
on DF bikes. Forget about flat...it's just not a level playing field
in today's competition.

Have fun whatever you ride.

Slow Joe Recumbo

TM

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<snip>

> They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The result
> being that the UCI changed the definition and dimensions of "bicycle"
> to prohibit recumbents, otherwise you'd be riding a different bike
> today. Something about mass production and economics.

Do you mean like GM is supposed to have stolen mass transit from US cities,
otherwise we'd all being riding trolleys to work?
Do you think the two are linked together?
The auto and the diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
corporate conspiracy?

Derek

Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is meaningless, and the
ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".

The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived for over 100 years
because it is a beautiful, amazing, trancendent piece of engineering.
Recumbents will never, ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.

I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to work today, and I
rode the upright because I had to ride thru thick traffic, and do a lot of
accelerations and manuvering to survive. I live in a town where two DF
roadies have been mowed down and killed and another maimed within the space
of the last two weeks by drunk drivers. The upright is a better choice for
that kind of riding. Period.

The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if the DF is in a
group of smoothly working riders under ideal conditions. John Schlitter's
win in that race shows more about his training and heart for winning the
race than the type of bike he was riding.

Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors, is on open road
terrain that is flat, rollers, or moderately downhill with a relatively good
road surface.

The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that intelligent
cross-training on a bent significantly increases the snap in your legs a lot
and will give you a competitive advantage in a sprint situation. It also
increases your pedaling smoothness for some reason, I don't know why. I get
the same result with my fixed gear bike.

(TM's post snipped)

> Do you think the two are linked together?
> The auto and the diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
> corporate conspiracy?
>
>

TM

"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is meaningless, and the
> ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
>

My point exactly.

You enjoy what you ride and can understand why somebody else would enjoy
riding something different. Well done.

The whole 'the future was stolen from the recumbent by a bunch of European
bureaucrats' deal struck me as absurd.

Joe Keenan

"Derek" <derek@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<WQ_hc.7688$Fo4.95401@typhoon.sonic.net>...
> Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is meaningless, and the
> ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
>
> The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived for over 100 years
> because it is a beautiful, amazing, trancendent piece of engineering.
> Recumbents will never, ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.
>
> I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to work today, and I
> rode the upright because I had to ride thru thick traffic, and do a lot of
> accelerations and manuvering to survive. I live in a town where two DF
> roadies have been mowed down and killed and another maimed within the space
> of the last two weeks by drunk drivers. The upright is a better choice for
> that kind of riding. Period.
>
> The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if the DF is in a
> group of smoothly working riders under ideal conditions. John Schlitter's
> win in that race shows more about his training and heart for winning the
> race than the type of bike he was riding.
>
> Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors, is on open road
> terrain that is flat, rollers, or moderately downhill with a relatively good
> road surface.
>
> The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that intelligent
> cross-training on a bent significantly increases the snap in your legs a lot
> and will give you a competitive advantage in a sprint situation. It also
> increases your pedaling smoothness for some reason, I don't know why. I get
> the same result with my fixed gear bike.
>

Good Morning Derek,

Two things:

First, you misunderstood my reply. There was no bashing of the UCI
decision. The point was simply that there was a time where recumbent
racers were consistently besting DF racers on terrain that wasn't
flat. Believe it or not, I'm a recumbent rider and agree with the UCI
decision because the basis was "....the race should be decided on the
bicyclist....not the bicycle...", if I remember my UCI cycling history
correctly. The other part of that is simply the UCI decision did
change the course of bicycle design and production and thus mass
market appeal. It's not woulda, coulda shoulda. It's just history.

Second, you're right in just about everything else you say about the
DF bike. What will be interesting is to see what happens down the
line if up and coming fast bicycle racers decide to give the recumbent
'highracer' design a try. What's great is that there are all kinds of
bike designs for different situations. Like you, given a choice for
city riding, I'll hop on my SAT R DAY and leave the Strada hanging in
the garage.

Third, for a race, what about a DF bike versus a highracer with NO
PACELINE? You say: "..The upright bike is also faster than an
unfaired bent, if the DF is in a group of smoothly working riders
under ideal conditions." Just for fun, it would be interesting to
see one bike versus another bike with riders of equal ability and NO
PACE LINE. John Schlitter proved in "A" race that a bent can beat a
DF. Granted, it be only one race. My opinion always has been that the
bent wins on a flat to moderately rolling course and the DF wins on a
hilly or very hilly course.

Tailwinds

Slow Joe Recumbo

TM

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> Two things:
>
> First,
<snip>
> Second
<snip>
> Third,

Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!

Joe Keenan

"TM" <lkjd@lkjk.com> wrote in message news:<108j49dsk4v1f6f@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Joe Keenan" <jkeenan7@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > Two things:
> >
> > First,
> <snip>
> > Second
> <snip>
> > Third,
>
> Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!

I'm not a full recumbo....I've only got a stache!!! But hey, tweaked
is tweaked! And at my age I have random thoughts. Sometimes I
actually remember some of them.

Slow Joe