Hincapie?

psycholist

Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of the
OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it answers
the question and I still don't know what actually happened to George. It
seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down 0:45. One
minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted, gotten a wheel
and Hincapie's still not there.

Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
held up by a train or something.)

Thanks,
Bob C.

C. Zoh

On 2004-04-11 21:56:04 -0500, "psycholist" <psycholist@wctel.net> said:

> Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
> comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
> held up by a train or something.)

Based on a post-race interview with Frankie, George said he just plain
ol' ran out of gas.

RWM

"psycholist" <psycholist@wctel.net> wrote in message
news:c5d0ha$dcvl$1@news3.infoave.net...
> Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of
the
> OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it
answers
> the question and I still don't know what actually happened to George. It
> seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down 0:45. One
> minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted, gotten a
wheel
> and Hincapie's still not there.
>
> Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
> comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
> held up by a train or something.)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob C.
>
>
Boy, it is nice to see that lots of other people are as confused as I am.
Phil said something like, "Now George knows that he will finish no less than
third." OLN goes to a commercial break and Museew it leading with no sign
of George.

lazysegall

Psycholist wrote:
> Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of
> the OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it
> answers the question and I still don't know what actually happened to
> George. It seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down
> 0:45. One minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted,
> gotten a wheel and Hincapie's still not there.
> Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
> comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
> held up by a train or something.)
> Thanks, Bob C.



I have no more info than you, but from listening to George after the
race and thinking about the race coverage I belive that Hincapes break
was caught and a large group formed with 8 or so riders. Then there was
a move from that group which George could not keep up with. Then Museuw
got his flat, but George was already dropped. I think the interview at
the end of the coverage makes it clear, but the coverage of that section
of the race was shakey.



--

lazysegall

Psycholist wrote:
> Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of
> the OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it
> answers the question and I still don't know what actually happened to
> George. It seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down
> 0:45. One minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted,
> gotten a wheel and Hincapie's still not there.
> Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
> comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
> held up by a train or something.)
> Thanks, Bob C.



I have no more info than you, but from listening to George after the
race and thinking about the race coverage I belive that Hincapes break
was caught and a large group formed with 8 or so riders. Then there was
a move from that group which George could not keep up with. Then Museuw
got his flat, but George was already dropped. I think the interview at
the end of the coverage makes it clear, but the coverage of that section
of the race was shakey.



--

Howard Kveck

In article <_Nadnd8nm7Olhufd4p2dnA@comcast.com>,
"RWM" <bobmcbXXX@exmsft.com> wrote:

> "psycholist" <psycholist@wctel.net> wrote in message
> news:c5d0ha$dcvl$1@news3.infoave.net...
> > Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of
> the
> > OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it
> answers
> > the question and I still don't know what actually happened to George. It
> > seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down 0:45. One
> > minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted, gotten a
> wheel
> > and Hincapie's still not there.
> >
> > Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
> > comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
> > held up by a train or something.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob C.
> >
> >
> Boy, it is nice to see that lots of other people are as confused as I am.
> Phil said something like, "Now George knows that he will finish no less than
> third." OLN goes to a commercial break and Museew it leading with no sign
> of George.

Well, it's not the first time Phil's gotten ahead of himself with
proclaiming a podium. Or the last...

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Why did the metalhead cross the road?
A: Because he's a gullible moron who'll buy
anything with a skull on it.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Stewart Fleming

Howard Kveck wrote:


> Well, it's not the first time Phil's gotten ahead of himself with
> proclaiming a podium. Or the last...
>

There's a slightly odd comment on Graham Watson's pages as well about
the break with Gorgeous George being the race-winning one...(...not to
mention that guys called George these days shouldn't make comments about
running out of gas...)

Awesome result for Roger Hammond...it seems like he's been around
forever and he really deserves a podium spot.

Robert Chung

psycholist wrote:
> Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made
> of the OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think
> it answers the question and I still don't know what actually happened
> to George. It seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was
> down 0:45. One minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's
> flatted, gotten a wheel and Hincapie's still not there.
>
> Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist
> dumbass comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong
> turn or got held up by a train or something.)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob C.

After the Boonen, Hincapie, and Flecha break was caught, the leaders, now
about 8 or so, entered the Carrefour de l'Arbre together, Museeuw taking
the lead, Hincapie in 4th place. They exited together, then entered
section 3B, the Gruson. It was during this section that the group split a
little, with Museeuw, Backstedt, Hammonds, Cancellara, Hoffman, and
possibly Hoste (?) in front, followed at 3 or 4 seconds by Boonen, Flecha,
and Hincapie, who were paying for their earlier effort. At this point, PVP
was tearing through the chasers, having flatted and chasing back, solo,
through the caravan, at perhaps 35 seconds to the Museeuw group. Very
impressive.

Because Hincapie and Boonen were 3 or 4 seconds back of the lead group,
and Motocam 2 was following the group behind, they disappeared from view
for a couple of minutes, which is why none of the analysts could exactly
place where he was.

Howard Kveck

In article <rsrec.9785$u%1.856475@news02.tsnz.net>,
Stewart Fleming <stewart.fleming@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

> Howard Kveck wrote:
>
>
> > Well, it's not the first time Phil's gotten ahead of himself with
> > proclaiming a podium. Or the last...
> >
>
> There's a slightly odd comment on Graham Watson's pages as well about
> the break with Gorgeous George being the race-winning one...(...not to
> mention that guys called George these days shouldn't make comments about
> running out of gas...)
>
> Awesome result for Roger Hammond...it seems like he's been around
> forever and he really deserves a podium spot.

I don't think he deserves a podium spot - he earned it. This seems like
a big jump forward for him. I was never really sure in the past if his team
was strong enough or if they just weren't very supportive of him in
particular, but maybe this result will make a difference for him in that
regard. It's a great result. I'm really stoked for Backstedt, as well.

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Why did the metalhead cross the road?
A: Because he's a gullible moron who'll buy
anything with a skull on it.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

JTN

like i said before the race began. he just doesnt have what it takes to win
PR. he could be a super domestique, just not a champion of PR.

magnus had no more halp than george, but he won.


"psycholist" <psycholist@wctel.net> wrote in message
news:c5d0ha$dcvl$1@news3.infoave.net...
> Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of
the
> OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it
answers
> the question and I still don't know what actually happened to George. It
> seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down 0:45. One
> minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted, gotten a
wheel
> and Hincapie's still not there.
>
> Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
> comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
> held up by a train or something.)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob C.
>
>

Jeff Jones

"JTN" <jtn@usps.com> wrote in message
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> like i said before the race began. he just doesnt have what it takes to
win
> PR. he could be a super domestique, just not a champion of PR.
>
He had a pretty good go of it this time with Boonen and Flecha. That could
have turned into a race winning break. Maybe they needed Hoste there to stop
Lotto from chasing, although I think it was Wesemann who dragged everyone
up. I was surprised at how quickly they were caught.

> magnus had no more halp than george, but he won.
>
Baldato was there at the end, although the team only started with five
riders (Marcus Ljungqvist was still a bit off after last week's crash).
Hammond was alone too. But Lotto and Quick.Step comprised nearly a third of
the big selection after Arenberg, and they ended up with nothing.

Jeff

JTN

the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it made me
change my whole outlook on his PR chances. top5 to top 10 guy, hell yes. not
top 2 though, help or no help.


he would do better going for the rolling TDF stages that have a bit of an
incline to break the group. too bad that wont happen before 2005.


"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
news:407ab5fc$0$1966$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>
> "JTN" <jtn@usps.com> wrote in message
> news:107lbinrf2g887f@corp.supernews.com...
> > like i said before the race began. he just doesnt have what it takes to
> win
> > PR. he could be a super domestique, just not a champion of PR.
> >
> He had a pretty good go of it this time with Boonen and Flecha. That could
> have turned into a race winning break. Maybe they needed Hoste there to
stop
> Lotto from chasing, although I think it was Wesemann who dragged everyone
> up. I was surprised at how quickly they were caught.
>
> > magnus had no more halp than george, but he won.
> >
> Baldato was there at the end, although the team only started with five
> riders (Marcus Ljungqvist was still a bit off after last week's crash).
> Hammond was alone too. But Lotto and Quick.Step comprised nearly a third
of
> the big selection after Arenberg, and they ended up with nothing.
>
> Jeff
>
>

Jeff Jones

"JTN" <jtn@usps.com> wrote in message
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> the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
> after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it made me
> change my whole outlook on his PR chances. top5 to top 10 guy, hell yes.
not
> top 2 though, help or no help.
>
I'm not trying to make excuses for him, even though he beat a (supposedly)
better Boonen in a sprint this time. My point was that he did attack, and
not just follow wheels, which has been a common criticism of him in the
past. He also attacked in Flanders = good as well. You don't know if a break
will work unless you try one, and it was a good time to go, and he was with
good company.

As for the future, who knows? Certainly no-one in RBR got close to
predicting the P-R podium. As Museeuw said, everyone's so close at the top
now that no-one really stands out.

Jeff

JTN

you got the prediction part right we were way off going with the givens. who
woulda thunk.
im still amazed at how big magnus is and his ability to race the bike. he
makes eros poli look like a midget.



"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
news:407af49e$0$1973$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>
> "JTN" <jtn@usps.com> wrote in message
> news:107ls7oeiu5dn2b@corp.supernews.com...
> > the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
> > after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it made
me
> > change my whole outlook on his PR chances. top5 to top 10 guy, hell yes.
> not
> > top 2 though, help or no help.
> >
> I'm not trying to make excuses for him, even though he beat a (supposedly)
> better Boonen in a sprint this time. My point was that he did attack, and
> not just follow wheels, which has been a common criticism of him in the
> past. He also attacked in Flanders = good as well. You don't know if a
break
> will work unless you try one, and it was a good time to go, and he was
with
> good company.
>
> As for the future, who knows? Certainly no-one in RBR got close to
> predicting the P-R podium. As Museeuw said, everyone's so close at the top
> now that no-one really stands out.
>
> Jeff
>
>