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12-04.-2004, 06:51 AM
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A Travesty
No American rider will ever win a World Cup race while USPS, USAC,
Thom Weisel and Lance Armstrong are still active. George Hincapie is so dumb and used, staying on that team. He would have 3 or 4 Paris-Roubaix victories by now if he were on any other squad. The focus on Lance Armstrong has ruined the career of every single rider who has passed through that system with the exception of Armstrong himself. It will be a great day for American cycling when USPS ends its corrosive and corrupting sponsorship at the end of this year. tata, Brian Lafferty |
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12-04.-2004, 07:20 AM
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Re: A Travesty
in article 7af61f54.0404111351.1f1d91ab@posting.google.com, Brian Laffatme
at B_Laffatme@hotmail.com wrote on 4/11/04 2:51 PM: > No American rider will ever win a World Cup race while USPS, USAC, > Thom Weisel and Lance Armstrong are still active. Tyler Hamilton won Liège-Bastogne-Liège last year, thou king amongst dumbasses. Also, Armstrong himself won San Sebastian-San Sebastian. > George Hincapie is so dumb and used, staying on that team. He would > have 3 or 4 Paris-Roubaix victories by now if he were on any other > squad. The focus on Lance Armstrong has ruined the career of every > single rider who has passed through that system with the exception of > Armstrong himself. None of the ex-Posties who went on to success could have done so without being on USPS first. > It will be a great day for American cycling when USPS ends its > corrosive and corrupting sponsorship at the end of this year. I hotly disagree, because it means there will be no more American Div. I teams. There is also only one Div. II team - Navigators - which, IIRC, is not very high up in the UCI standings and is unlikely to get a chance to move into Div. I. -Sonarrat. |
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12-04.-2004, 08:22 AM
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Re: A Travesty
"Brian Laffatme" <B_Laffatme@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7af61f54.0404111351.1f1d91ab@posting.google.com... > No American rider will ever win a World Cup race while USPS, USAC, > Thom Weisel and Lance Armstrong are still active. > > George Hincapie is so dumb and used, staying on that team. He would > have 3 or 4 Paris-Roubaix victories by now if he were on any other > squad. The focus on Lance Armstrong has ruined the career of every > single rider who has passed through that system with the exception of > Armstrong himself. > > It will be a great day for American cycling when USPS ends its > corrosive and corrupting sponsorship at the end of this year. > > > tata, > > > Brian Lafferty There's little in life that's more pitiful than bad parody. Sonarrat has clearly pointed out why your parody is so awful that it's at the point of becoming funny for a totally different reason. ;-) |
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12-04.-2004, 11:45 AM
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Re: A Travesty
and what does "tata" mean anyway? Is it about "tatas" ? Or about India's
Tata Coffee? Or some sort of non-homophobic FAQ signaling ? "B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message news:Oqkec.4184$l75.3455@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > "Brian Laffatme" <B_Laffatme@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:7af61f54.0404111351.1f1d91ab@posting.google.com... > > No American rider will ever win a World Cup race while USPS, USAC, > > Thom Weisel and Lance Armstrong are still active. > > > > George Hincapie is so dumb and used, staying on that team. He would > > have 3 or 4 Paris-Roubaix victories by now if he were on any other > > squad. The focus on Lance Armstrong has ruined the career of every > > single rider who has passed through that system with the exception of > > Armstrong himself. > > > > It will be a great day for American cycling when USPS ends its > > corrosive and corrupting sponsorship at the end of this year. > > > > > > tata, > > > > > > Brian Lafferty > > There's little in life that's more pitiful than bad parody. Sonarrat has > clearly pointed out why your parody is so awful that it's at the point of > becoming funny for a totally different reason. ;-) > > |
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12-04.-2004, 01:04 PM
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Re: A Travesty
B_Laffatme@hotmail.com (Brian Laffatme) wrote in message news:<7af61f54.0404111351.1f1d91ab@posting.google.com>...
> No American rider will ever win a World Cup race while USPS, USAC, > Thom Weisel and Lance Armstrong are still active. > > George Hincapie is so dumb and used, staying on that team. He would > have 3 or 4 Paris-Roubaix victories by now if he were on any other > squad. The focus on Lance Armstrong has ruined the career of every > single rider who has passed through that system with the exception of > Armstrong himself. > > It will be a great day for American cycling when USPS ends its > corrosive and corrupting sponsorship at the end of this year. > > > tata, > > > Brian Lafferty Could be that George stays on the team because he's a friend of Armstrong, is paid well, and there's no disillusion as to what the main goal of the USPS cycling team is. Winning the Tour de France, at least since 1999. Hincapie I'm sure could win more races with more support, but I'm also sure he hasn't minded being part of 5 winning Tour de France teams. And being partly responsible for those wins has to have some sort of satisfaction. And there is no way he would have had 3 or 4 victories in Paris-Roubaix were he on some other team. He'd be the American lackey carrying water bottles for someone else instead of being the team leader for the Classics. Get over it, George likes it where he is. |
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12-04.-2004, 01:45 PM
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Re: A Travesty
Brian Laffatme wrote:
> No American rider will ever win a World Cup race while USPS, USAC, Thom > Weisel and Lance Armstrong are still active. > George Hincapie is so dumb and used, staying on that team. He would have > 3 or 4 Paris-Roubaix victories by now if he were on any other squad. The > focus on Lance Armstrong has ruined the career of every single rider who > has passed through that system with the exception of Armstrong himself. > It will be a great day for American cycling when USPS ends its corrosive > and corrupting sponsorship at the end of this year. > tata, > Brian Lafferty I haven't posted in months, but this is one of the dumbest posts yet. First, what indication do you have that Hincape is a better rider than Museuw, PVP, Boonen, Bettini or anyone else that wins classics. I don't think he is. He needs to prove himself. Second, Clearly 2 or 3 years ago postal was not supporting him. Wait actually he was in perfect position with good support from Tom Boonen, but then George fell off the road. Of course blame USPS. Third, how could team support have helped George today. He made a move, which then got caught and then as he said he had nothing left. I don't think the team had anything to do with it. Furthermore, I think that everyone who did well in todays race really did it because of their own skill, condtioning and luck not because of major team support. -- |
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12-04.-2004, 07:45 PM
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Re: A Travesty
On 11 Apr 2004 21:04:06 -0700, giantcu92@hotmail.com (Tom Arsenault)
wrote: >He'd be the American lackey carrying water bottles for someone else >instead of being the team leader for the Classics. Right, like Hammond had to do all the domestigue work at Mr. Bookmaker Sunday (and at G-W too) since he's not Belgian. JT |
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12-04.-2004, 07:55 PM
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Re: A Travesty
lazysegall wrote: > > I haven't posted in months, but this is one of the dumbest posts yet. this is me, reading this and similar replies http://home.comcast.net/~pomeroyq/ouch.gif brian, do something to make it stop... heather |
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12-04.-2004, 11:18 PM
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Re: A Travesty
"h squared" <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:407A75B2.7DAC2AB9@hotmail.com... > > > lazysegall wrote: > > > > > I haven't posted in months, but this is one of the dumbest posts yet. > > > this is me, reading this and similar replies > http://home.comcast.net/~pomeroyq/ouch.gif > > brian, do something to make it stop... > > heather There just isn't much to be done about parody impaired posters. |
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13-04.-2004, 01:43 AM
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Re: A Travesty
Sonarrat wrote:
> > None of the ex-Posties who went on to success could have done so > without being on USPS first. > There's a bold claim. Why do you think it's true? |
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13-04.-2004, 09:37 AM
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Re: A Travesty
"B. Lafferty" wrote: > > There just isn't much to be done about parody impaired posters. yeah, well, i should shut up about it anyway. the whole thing is fairly humorous, why do i ask for more? heather |
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13-04.-2004, 09:44 AM
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Re: A Travesty
"h squared" <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:407B364D.E9C87E79@hotmail.com... > > > "B. Lafferty" wrote: > > > > There just isn't much to be done about parody impaired posters. > > yeah, well, i should shut up about it anyway. the whole thing is fairly > humorous, why do i ask for more? Why? Because you deserve better. Don't we all? |
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14-04.-2004, 10:44 AM
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Re: A Travesty
In article <95c15282950c5d03c44cc4b3e2af29d4@news.teranews.com>,
"Kyle Legate" <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote: > Sonarrat wrote: > > > > None of the ex-Posties who went on to success could have done so > > without being on USPS first. > > > There's a bold claim. Why do you think it's true? First, because of Johan Bruyneel's skill as a DS, and second, more importantly, because the team represented the cream of the American crop and gave them important exposure in major European races. Perhaps I'm just showing my inexperience in this area, but I can't find evidence of any other team doing so for the period after Motorola stopped. -Sonarrat. |
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14-04.-2004, 11:00 AM
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Re: A Travesty
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@stormloader.com> wrote in message news:sonarrat-3B2211.18445413042004@corp.supernews.com... > In article <95c15282950c5d03c44cc4b3e2af29d4@news.teranews.com>, > "Kyle Legate" <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Sonarrat wrote: > > > > > > None of the ex-Posties who went on to success could have done so > > > without being on USPS first. > > > > > There's a bold claim. Why do you think it's true? > > First, because of Johan Bruyneel's skill as a DS, and second, more > importantly, because the team represented the cream of the American crop > and gave them important exposure in major European races. Perhaps I'm > just showing my inexperience in this area, but I can't find evidence of > any other team doing so for the period after Motorola stopped. > > -Sonarrat. Julich has managed to have success without being on USPS. |
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14-04.-2004, 12:25 PM
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Re: A Travesty
In article <107p6qs4oost21@corp.supernews.com>,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote: > Julich has managed to have success without being on USPS. I'm sorry, I'm just confusing the issue. Let me start over... so I can better explain my understanding of Americans in the pro peloton (excluding those still on USPS). I'll start with the facts, so that I don't get too carried away. Bobby Julich and Lance Armstrong have several things in common: they were both riding for Motorola in 1996, they both signed with Cofidis for the 1997 season. Armstrong's story does not need repeating, but Julich stayed with Cofidis and established himself as a man for the Grand Tours. Already with a 9th place in the Vuelta, he took 17th and then 3rd in Le Tour in '97 and '98. Then he had two rather fruitless years with Credit Agricole, then two disastrous years with Telekom before signing for CSC-Tiscali for the 2004 season, which has, so far, been very promising. Levi Leipheimer was a Saturn rider, then signed with USPS for 2000. His development within the mere two years he spent with the team was incredible; I believe this is because he raced in races he never could have been in with Saturn, such as the Vuelta a España, where he had a podium finish in 2001. His 2002 season was a success, with an 8th place in the TdF, but in 2003, he crashed in the first road stage of the Tour and his season was ruined. This year already promises to be better. Tyler Hamilton was a founding member of the USPS team in 1996. He showed a flash of brilliance in finishing 2nd in an ITT stage of the '98 Tour, then won an ITT stage the following year, the first year that Lance won. He could have joined any of a number of other teams at this point, but he stuck it out with USPS until the end of 2001, the same time Leipheimer defected. He went to CSC-Tiscali, where his years of experience on USPS paid off with a 2nd place in the Giro, a 4th place in the TdF, a WC win and a 2.HC stage race win. I think that the strength he showed in dealing with a broken shoulder in the Giro and a broken collarbone in the TdF signified a tenacity that developed in him gradually during his stint as a Postie domestique - purely my opinion. Now with the Phonak team, he looks OK so far. Christian Vandevelde has been a USPS workhorse since 1998. He crashed out of the 2001 Tour, and was snubbed for Tour selection at least for 2003. For 2004, he is now at Heras' side with Manolo Saiz' new Liberty Seguros team. Revenge? Devotion to Heras? I don't know. Fred Rodriguez, sprinter, started on Saturn, then signed with Mapei in 1999. After a rather good 2000 season, he signed with Domo; 2002 was marked by two 2nd places in major classics. His 2003 season with Vini Caldirola was just off of the level set by 2002, and his 2004 season with Acqua & Sapone has not gotten off the ground yet. Tom Danielson joined Fassa Bortolo after making a reputation as the top pure climber in the US, and after winning the Tour de Langkawi. If he is indeed going to the Giro d'Italia this year, he should be interesting to watch. Tim Johnson signed with new Spanish team Saunier Duval-Prodir this year after a successful 2003 season with Saturn, which terminated its sponsorship afterwards. == Looking at this, I see too many unique cases to make the sweeping generalizations I made earlier in this thread... what I do notice is that Americans are entering the European peloton at a healthy rate right now, and there have been a lot of moves this year... -Sonarrat. |
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