I don't make this stuff up you know.

charles ramsey

Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

G.T.

charles ramsey wrote:
> Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
> simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
> new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
> down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
> mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
> diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
> of you who know give it a day so others can read this.

Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.

And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
narrowest and lightest at the time.

Greg

BaCardi

Charles Ramsey wrote:
> Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
> simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
> new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them down
> to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum mountain
> rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat diameter and
> mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those of you who
> know give it a day so others can read this.




I don't know if that is true or not. Its not like they hold records on
who's the first at that stuff. Sounds reasonable and plausible enough
though so I think you've proven yourself on this one.



--

SDMike

"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:Uyzlc.5018$jw5.3800@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
> charles ramsey wrote:
> > Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
> > simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
> > new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
> > down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
> > mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
> > diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
> > of you who know give it a day so others can read this.
>
> Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.
>
> And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
> And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
> narrowest and lightest at the time.
>
> Greg
>
I'm pretty sure they were MA40s. I wanted a pair, but on a college student
budget, couldn't afford them.

M

Tim McNamara

"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> writes:

> charles ramsey wrote:
>> Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
>> simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
>> new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
>> down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
>> mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
>> diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
>> of you who know give it a day so others can read this.
>
> Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.
>
> And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or
> MA2s? And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were
> just the narrowest and lightest at the time.

I know of Bontrager producing and selling cut down MA2s, taking 36
hole 700c rims and cutting them down to 32 hole 26" rims. In fact
some of those just went to auction on eBay a few weeks ago. However,
I could see KB doing some trial runs with dumpster dived Super Champs.

Ъ×

On Mon, 03 May 2004 22:18:28 GMT, "G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

>charles ramsey wrote:
>> Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
>> simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
>> new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
>> down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
>> mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
>> diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
>> of you who know give it a day so others can read this.
>
>Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.
>
>And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
> And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
>narrowest and lightest at the time.
>
>Greg

they were, i believe, MA40's, cut down from 36h to 32h and rerolled...
'87? - Ъ×

Jeff Wills

"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:<Uyzlc.5018$jw5.3800@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...
> charles ramsey wrote:
> > Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
> > simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
> > new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
> > down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
> > mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
> > diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
> > of you who know give it a day so others can read this.
>
> Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a troll.
>
> And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or MA2s?
> And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
> narrowest and lightest at the time.
>
> Greg

It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
1987 to 1989.

I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike rims in 1980,
so I know that they date back well before Keith's experiments.

Jeff

Nick Payne

Tim McNamara wrote:
> "G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> writes:
>
> I know of Bontrager producing and selling cut down MA2s, taking 36
> hole 700c rims and cutting them down to 32 hole 26" rims. In fact
> some of those just went to auction on eBay a few weeks ago. However,
> I could see KB doing some trial runs with dumpster dived Super Champs.

36/40*622 is a lot closer to 559 than 32/36*622.

G.T.

"Jeff Wills" <jwills@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:a13b2743.0405032145.157a90f@posting.google.com...
> "G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:<Uyzlc.5018$jw5.3800@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...
> > charles ramsey wrote:
> > > Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
> > > simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
> > > new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
> > > down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
> > > mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
> > > diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
> > > of you who know give it a day so others can read this.
> >
> > Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a
troll.
> >
> > And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or
MA2s?
> > And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
> > narrowest and lightest at the time.
> >
> > Greg
>
> It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
> re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
> bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
> was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
> versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
> 1987 to 1989.
>

Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms: http://www.2fortheroad.net/bikes.html,

Greg

Ken Ferschweiler

G.T. (getnews1@dslextreme.com) wrote:

: "Jeff Wills" <jwills@pacifier.com> wrote in message
: news:a13b2743.0405032145.157a90f@posting.google.com...
: > "G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
: news:<Uyzlc.5018$jw5.3800@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...
: > > charles ramsey wrote:
: > > > Some one accused me of being a troll I am shocked shocked so take this
: > > > simple test of my credability. True or false Keith Bontrager dug some
: > > > new super champion 700c 40 hole rims out of a dumpster and cut them
: > > > down to 36 hole mountain bike size these were the first aluminum
: > > > mountain rims. Here is a hint 700c rims have a 622mm bead seat
: > > > diameter and mountain bike rims have a 559mm bead seat diameter. Those
: > > > of you who know give it a day so others can read this.
: > >
: > > Well, maybe if you wrote decent English you wouldn't be pegged as a
: troll.
: > >
: > > And the answer is basically: true. But were they Super Champions or
: MA2s?
: > > And they weren't the first aluminum mountain rims, they were just the
: > > narrowest and lightest at the time.
: > >
: > > Greg
: >
: > It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
: > re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
: > bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
: > was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
: > versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
: > 1987 to 1989.
: >

: Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms: http://www.2fortheroad.net/bikes.html,

I notice that Sheldon Brown has some 559mm MA2s listed
on the Harris cyclery web site:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims.html

-Ken

Benjamin Weiner

Jeff Wills <jwills@pacifier.com> wrote:

> It's possible that the first Bontrager mountain-bike rims were
> re-rolled MA-2's (I heard that story in the mid-80's, when mountain
> bikes were hitting their stride), but within a couple of years Mavic
> was producing mountain bike (559mm BSD) rims in MA-2 and MA-40
> versions. I watched a few pass through the warehouse where I worked
> 1987 to 1989.

Bontrager re-rolled some MA-2 (or MA-40?) rims himself, then he
got Mavic to make him some (I think), then Mavic started selling
559mm versions themselves. He's posted about this to r.b.tech
in the distant past.

> I built up a couple of Araya 7X aluminum mountain bike rims in 1980,
> so I know that they date back well before Keith's experiments.

I think the distinction was that his were the first relatively
narrow, relatively lightweight 559mm rims; many MTB rims of the
time were single-wall and heavy. Were the Araya 7X rims
box-section? The Araya RM-20 is a box section from the mid-late
80s, but is rather broader and heavier than an MA-2.

G.T.

"Ken Ferschweiler" <kennino@cs.orst.edu> wrote in message
news:c78ied$kba$1@news.oregonstate.edu...
> G.T. (getnews1@dslextreme.com) wrote:
>
>
> : Yes, I still ride MA-2 559mms: http://www.2fortheroad.net/bikes.html,
>
> I notice that Sheldon Brown has some 559mm MA2s listed
> on the Harris cyclery web site:
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims.html
>

Bummer, 28 hole only. I could build some cheap roller wheels, though.

Greg