MTB Impact Report

Pippen

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html

-p

S o r n i

Pippen wrote:
> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
>
> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html

But...but...Mike's gone out and taken unclear pictures with his Brownie!
These so-called scientific studies don't begin to compare.

Bill "if horses and ORV's are allowed, bikes should be cheered" S.

Pete

"Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
>
> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html

Naaa

<Mikey1>
"By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling Association"

Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
</Mikey>

or

<Mikey2>
See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys finally admit it. Just
because other types of human travel in wilderness areas cause damage is no
reason not to ban bikes!
</Mikey2>

Pete
which will it be, Mikey?

BB

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:33:07 GMT, Pippen wrote:
> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
>
> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html

He's had no trouble ignoring the studies themselves, he'll have no problem
ignoring the summary.

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

Xtc

"Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7YMac.153311$Cb.1582537@attbi_s51...
> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
>
> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
>
> -p
>
>
It's biased anyway. I wish you guys would just kill file the bastard. All
the frickin post that respond to him just feeds him. We all know he's a
loose cannon.

Michael Paul

Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted by somebody
affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state that they cannot possibly be
objecting and clearly lied in conducting their research. After all, all
mountain bikers, including international ones are known liars right?

"Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7YMac.153311$Cb.1582537@attbi_s51...
> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
>
> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
>
> -p
>
>

Shaun Rimmer

"Xtc" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7YMac.153311$Cb.1582537@attbi_s51...
> > This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
> >
> > http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
> >
> > -p
> >
> >
> It's biased anyway. I wish you guys would just kill file the bastard. All
> the frickin post that respond to him just feeds him. We all know he's a
> loose cannon.

Pah - loose f*cking pea shooter, more like.





Shaun aRe

Shaun Rimmer

"Pete" <ptr@usaf.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7YMac.153311$Cb.1582537@attbi_s51...
> > This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
> >
> > http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
>
> Naaa
>
> <Mikey1>
> "By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling Association"
>
> Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
> </Mikey>
>
> or
>
> <Mikey2>
> See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys finally admit it. Just
> because other types of human travel in wilderness areas cause damage is no
> reason not to ban bikes!
> </Mikey2>
>
> Pete
> which will it be, Mikey?

How decidedly accurate.



Shaun aRe - Don't waste your time, folks.

Iguana

Pippen wrote:
> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
>
> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
>
> -p

Good to see we are supporting the Grizzly Bear population...<g>

(Note to self: Install baseball cards in spokes in bear country.)

MattB

Michael Paul wrote:
> "Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7YMac.153311$Cb.1582537@attbi_s51...
>> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
>>
>> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
>>
>> -p
> Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted by somebody
> affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state that they cannot
> possibly be objecting and clearly lied in conducting their research.
> After all, all mountain bikers, including international ones are
> known liars right?
>

Funny thing is, the author of that article is a pretty well-known guy around
these parts. He's headed up a very active and vocal anti-development,
anti-ski area group called HCCA (High Country Citizen's Alliance). They're
generally regarded as fringe kooks by "regular" (people who work for a
living instead of having trust funds) folks.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

Matt (got lots of anecdotal evidence that horses and motorcycles are way
worse than bikes - duh!)

Pete

"Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Pete" <ptr@usaf.com> wrote in message
> news:AgNac.101984$8G2.9702@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> >
> > "Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7YMac.153311$Cb.1582537@attbi_s51...
> > > This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
> > >
> > > http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
> >
> > Naaa
> >
> > <Mikey1>
> > "By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling Association"
> >
> > Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
> > </Mikey>
> >
> > or
> >
> > <Mikey2>
> > See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys finally admit it. Just
> > because other types of human travel in wilderness areas cause damage is
no
> > reason not to ban bikes!
> > </Mikey2>
> >
> > Pete
> > which will it be, Mikey?
>
> How decidedly accurate.

Well...it was jut too easy. And I had one concept wrong. Should have used
'and' instead of 'or'.

news:95ho60lpn2u8b1j7imh1j4rj7j9trfu8g9@4ax.com
1 APR 2004 11:54 (12 hours after mine)
"...As far as I know, every one of these "studies" was done by
(surprize, surprize) a mountain biker. Besides, they are irrelevant, because
the
harm done by mountain biking is not related to the harm done by other
activities, such as hiking. The damage is the same, regardless of what
hikers or
anyone else is doing!"

Pete

Mike Vandeman

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:33:07 GMT, "Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote:

..This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
..
..http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html

Don't make me laugh. Anyone who bothers to read these "studies" will find that
they actually prove the OPPOSITE of what they CLAIM to prove! They actually
examine only damage PER MILE. Since mountain bikers typically travel several
times as far as hikers (try HIKING 25-50 miles in a day!), it follows FROM THEIR
OWN RESEARCH that mountain bikers have several times the impact of hikers. They
also don't test mountain biking under normal conditions: they simply roll
passively down a gently sloping hill -- no acceleration, no turns, no braking,
all of which would apply shear (horizontal) forces to the ground. In addition,
almost all studies ignore impacts on wildlife. As far as I know, every one of
these "studies" was done by (surprize, surprize) a mountain biker. Besides, they
are irrelevant, because the harm done by mountain biking is not related to the
harm done by other activities, such as hiking. The damage is the same,
regardless of what hikers or anyone else is doing!

===
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Mike Vandeman

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:57:01 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul@nospam.san.rr.com>
wrote:

..Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted by somebody
..affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state that they cannot possibly be
..objecting and clearly lied in conducting their research. After all, all
..mountain bikers, including international ones are known liars right?

That all goes without saying.

.."Pippen" <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
..news:7YMac.153311$Cb.1582537@attbi_s51...
..> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
..>
..> http://www.imba.com/resources/scien...ct_summary.html
..>
..> -p
..>
..>
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande