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The Lance Chronicles...
Did I hear this right? Trek has made a proto-type 55 OCLV for US Postal? Mavic has a special tubeLESS wheel? Michelin has a tube LESS tire???? Must remember to send PC at Vecchios some toilet paper if the above is true... ![]() HAND -- ³Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness³ - Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution |
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> Did I hear this right?
> > Trek has made a proto-type 55 OCLV for US Postal? > > Mavic has a special tubeLESS wheel? > > Michelin has a tube LESS tire???? Yes, you heard correctly. Lance has a new "climbing bike" that will be available for sale in a few months, using OCLV 55 & 110 carbon (instead of just 110, as is the case with the current Madone & 5900 models). And tubeless tires are beginning to show up (for road bikes) although I'm still scratching my head a bit, trying to figure out why. Maybe over the cobblestone sections they'd make sense, since you could ride at a lower pressure and not pinch flat? --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com "H. M. Leary" <mikie357@forgedabit.net> wrote in message news:mikie357- 4B1766.10084612072004@news.verizon.net... > The Lance Chronicles... > > Did I hear this right? > > Trek has made a proto-type 55 OCLV for US Postal? > > Mavic has a special tubeLESS wheel? > > Michelin has a tube LESS tire???? > > Must remember to send PC at Vecchios some toilet paper if > the above is true... ![]() > > > HAND > > -- > ³Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness³ > > - Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:55:37 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> Did I hear this right? >> >> Trek has made a proto-type 55 OCLV for US Postal? >> >> Mavic has a special tubeLESS wheel? >> >> Michelin has a tube LESS tire???? > >Yes, you heard correctly. Lance has a new "climbing bike" >that will be available for sale in a few months, using OCLV >55 & 110 carbon (instead of just 110, as is the case with >the current Madone & 5900 models). And tubeless tires are >beginning to show up (for road bikes) although I'm still >scratching my head a bit, trying to figure out why. Maybe >over the cobblestone sections they'd make sense, since you >could ride at a lower pressure and not pinch flat? > >--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com The proposed benefit is significantly reduced rolling resistance and a slower deflation when punctured. These may be marginal benefits, but at the high end marginal benefits are all that's left. For us mortals, tubeless tyres are expensive and a bugger to repair, but if the pro's use them, plenty of people will buy them for just that reason. Your cynicism may explain why I always have to shop elsewhere for tubeless MTB tyres :-) Kinky Cowboy* *Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts Your milage may vary |
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<ZvyIc.19479$Ka3.4693@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, mikej1@ix.netcom.com says... >And tubeless tires are beginning to show up (for road >bikes) although I'm still scratching my head a bit, trying >to figure out why. Maybe over the cobblestone sections >they'd make sense, since you could ride at a lower pressure >and not pinch flat? Aren't these also part of the benefits of riding tubular tires? ---------- Alex |
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Michelin has a tube LESS tire???? > >Yes, you heard correctly. Lance has a new "climbing bike" >that will be available for sale in a few months, using OCLV >55 & 110 carbon (instead of just 110, as is the case with >the current Madone & 5900 models). And tubeless tires are >beginning to show up (for road bikes) although I'm still >scratching my head a bit, trying to figure out why. Maybe >over the cobblestone sections they'd make sense, since you >could ride at a lower pressure and not pinch flat? > >--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com What's the objection to tubeless tires? I don't MTB much so I'm not familiar with the tradeoffs for those bikes. Seems like not having to deal with tubes would be a big improvement and make tire installation easier and faster. I could see one downside - possibly having to replace a whole tire if you get a flat, but I seem to be unusual in that I rarely get get flats. What would be wrong with road tubeless tires.? Extra weight? Higher cost? Something else? Thanks, Michael |
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Michael Press said...
> What's the objection to tubeless tires? I don't MTB much > so I'm not familiar with the tradeoffs for those bikes. > > Seems like not having to deal with tubes would be a big > improvement and make tire installation easier and faster. > I could see one downside - possibly having to replace a > whole tire if you get a flat, but I seem to be unusual in > that I rarely get get flats. > > What would be wrong with road tubeless tires.? Extra > weight? Higher cost? Something else? > > Thanks, Michael I ride tubeless on my MTB. I use the bike for about 50/50 road and off- road use. I use Michelin Jet S tires that function reasonably well in most conditions. I can tell you that there are some big pros and cons. The biggest problem with them is getting them to seat after you install them. I have yet to get them to seat using a floor pump. Every time I have resorted to taking them to a gas station. Maybe a CO2 pump would work, but I have my doubts. This means that a flat while riding means installing a tube. My particular tires puncture very easily and I can count on patching at least the rear after any major off-road ride. But the Jet S is an ultra-light semi-slick and a knobby tire probably wouldn't give me any trouble. My rear tire also has about 3000 miles on it and it is time for a new one. If there are no punctures, my tubeless tires hold their pressure longer than my tubed tires, surprisingly. The Jet S tubeless is slightly heavier than the regular Jet S and a regular tube and up to 100g heavier than with an ultra-light tube. Rims are also heavier. The lightest UST rim from Mavic is 100g heavier than their lightest non-UST rim. The tubeless rims and tires are slightly more expensive. One very nice benefit is that I have never completely flatted one of them. The other day I counted 3 separate punctures in the rear tire and the bike was still quite rideable. All I had to do was stop every 15 minutes and pump it back up. Sounds like sarcasm, but it beats walking. I gave in and installed my spare tube the first time ever and decided it was time for a new tire. It seems like tubes always fail completely for me. Either they hold air or they don't. There may be something to the rolling resistance claim, but I wouldn't swear to it. I have both kinds of Jet S tires, so maybe I will experiment someday and see if there is a measurable difference. Installation is more difficult, but easy enough when you know the trick of making sure the bead is inside the center depression of the rim while removing or installing. The big installation problems come from trying to get the bead to seat. But since a road bike has a much smaller volume of air, it may much easier. |
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