*This* close

Callas

I came *this* close to doing my first time trial tonight.

However, rain stopped play. It hammered down at about the
time I wanted to leave to warm up - torrential rain plus
hail plus fecking lightning.

Grand eh?

It's stopped raining now with about 30 mins to go before the
start, I could get there, but;

a. I need two hours riding beforehand to warm up
b. I lent my wet-weather gear to a friend who came over last
night so he could get home dry

So, bugger it, going to wait one week. There's another
trial next Sat.

--
Callas

Msa

In article <MPG.1b5793e32a25519198989c@news-
east.giganews.com>, callas@summerblue.net says...
> I came *this* close to doing my first time trial tonight.

>
> a. I need two hours riding beforehand to warm up

Why 2 hours? How long is the TT?

> b. I lent my wet-weather gear to a friend who came over
> last night so he could get home dry

You won't want to be wearing wet weather gear on a time
trial, getting wet will be the least of your problems :-)
Maybe just for getting there though eh?
>
> So, bugger it, going to wait one week. There's another
> trial next Sat.

Mm, me thinks you didn't really want to go anyway :-)

God luck next week.

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transmission

Callas

onyerbikemark@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> callas@summerblue.net says...
> > I came *this* close to doing my first time trial
> > tonight.

> > a. I need two hours riding beforehand to warm up

> Why 2 hours? How long is the TT?

14 miles.

I don't perform at my best until I've done two hours riding.
I go from about 20 to about 25.

> > b. I lent my wet-weather gear to a friend who came over
> > last night so he could get home dry
>
> You won't want to be wearing wet weather gear on a time
> trial, getting wet will be the least of your problems :-)
> Maybe just for getting there though eh?

Wet-weather gear in this case just means a goretex jacket.
It's not just about the rain, it's about keeping warm and
breaking the wind chill.

> > So, bugger it, going to wait one week. There's another
> > trial next Sat.
>
> Mm, me thinks you didn't really want to go anyway :-)

No, I really wanted to go. But *properly*, and that
means warm-up.

> God luck next week.

Merci. If I win, I'll buy everyone in u.r.c. a
chocolate cigar

--
Callas

Johnb

Callas wrote:
>
> I came *this* close to doing my first time trial tonight.
>
> a. I need two hours riding beforehand to warm up
> b. I lent my wet-weather gear to a friend who came over
> last night so he could get home dry

I think you are already close to achieving a personal best.
TT'ers make an art of excuses ;-)

John B

Zog The Undenia

Callas wrote:
> I came *this* close to doing my first time trial tonight.
>
> However, rain stopped play. It hammered down at about the
> time I wanted to leave to warm up - torrential rain plus
> hail plus fecking lightning.

I had to turn up because it was an inter-club (we won).
Torrential rain, roads like rivers, burst drains and a
howling gale. I did 28:35 on a Thorn Nomad (about 34lb with
mudguards, rack, lights...), which I thought was actually
rather good.

Arthur Clune

Callas <callas@summerblue.net> wrote:

: I don't perform at my best until I've done two hours
: riding. I go from about 20 to about 25.
:

An hour's warmup, done properly should be enough for anyone
I'd have thought.

30 mins easy, 5 mins hard but not race pace, 10 mins easy,
2 mins race pace, 10 mins easy, 1 min above race pace,
potter to start.

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune http://www.clune.org "Technolibertarians make a
philosophy out of a personality defect"
- Paulina Borsook

Johnb

Arthur Clune wrote:
>
> Callas <callas@summerblue.net> wrote:
>
> : I don't perform at my best until I've done two hours
> : riding. I go from about 20 to about 25.
> :
>
> An hour's warmup, done properly should be enough for
> anyone I'd have thought.

And easily carried out by riding the bike to the start
instead of clamping it to one of those tin polluting
thingummies :-)

Now where are those sprint carriers?

John B

Velvet

JohnB wrote:

> Arthur Clune wrote:
>
>>Callas <callas@summerblue.net> wrote:
>>
>>: I don't perform at my best until I've done two hours
>>: riding. I go from about 20 to about 25.
>>:
>>
>>An hour's warmup, done properly should be enough for
>>anyone I'd have thought.
>
>
> And easily carried out by riding the bike to the start
> instead of clamping it to one of those tin polluting
> thingummies :-)
>
> Now where are those sprint carriers?
>
> John B

Interesting reading this. I've found I need at least 30-60
mines to get warmed up properly, and 30 mins to re-warm
after a half an hour stop. (Not that I'm into TT's - yet
*grin* - just for normal rides, I find the first 30-60 mins
hard work normally).

Having said that, I *have* noticed if I ride for 20-30 mins
then take a break for 5-10, I can then zip off fine. Which
seems odd - do I actually warm up faster if I stretch the
legs (most cycling is hard work on the legs while warming up
unless I pootle at about 6-7mph) for a short while then
break for a few mins? If I ride through it, the body really
complains, I don't have quite the same oomph in the legs
(relatively speaking!) as later in the ride, and it takes a
lot longer for that to kick in.

I thought it was just down to me being unfit, but maybe not!

--

Velvet

Michael Macclan

On 9 Jul 2004 10:45:18 GMT, Arthur Clune wrote:

> Callas <callas@summerblue.net> wrote:
>
>: I don't perform at my best until I've done two hours
>: riding. I go from about 20 to about 25.
>:

How have you tested this? I suppose you've tried warming up
for 15 mins and then measured your speed and then repeated
the test after 30 min warm-up, 45 min warm-up etc?

>
> An hour's warmup, done properly should be enough for
> anyone I'd have thought.
>
> 30 mins easy, 5 mins hard but not race pace, 10 mins easy,
> 2 mins race pace, 10 mins easy, 1 min above race pace,
> potter to start.
>
> Arthur

Quite. Lance suggests about 60 mins warm-up for TTs. I
would think that this is too much for many people who don't
have his level of fitness unless they keep it very easy.
There must be a balance between warming up and getting too
tired before the event starts. It also depends on the
length of the TT.

--
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wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde
www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk

Callas

ajc22@york.ac.uk wrote:
> Callas <callas@summerblue.net> wrote:
>
> : I don't perform at my best until I've done two hours
> : riding. I go from about 20 to about 25.
> :
>
> An hour's warmup, done properly should be enough for
> anyone I'd have thought.
>
> 30 mins easy, 5 mins hard but not race pace, 10 mins easy,
> 2 mins race pace, 10 mins easy, 1 min above race pace,
> potter to start.

It might be that I take my time warming up - I don't push
it, particularly; I let my body get there by itself.

--
Callas

Arthur Clune

Callas <callas@summerblue.net> wrote:
:>
:> 30 mins easy, 5 mins hard but not race pace, 10 mins
:> easy, 2 mins race pace, 10 mins easy, 1 min above race
:> pace, potter to start.

: It might be that I take my time warming up - I don't push
: it, particularly; I let my body get there by itself.

If you want to do a TT, then you need to warm up well, and
that means efforts at race pace + some hard enough to get
the lacitic acid flowing (starts the body clearing latic).

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune http://www.clune.org "Technolibertarians make a
philosophy out of a personality defect"
- Paulina Borsook

Zog The Undenia

Callas wrote:

> a. I need two hours riding beforehand to warm up

That will deplete all your muscle glycogen. I ride to the
start (15-20 mins) then do some stretches. Then I'm off.

Callas

hrothgar19@yahoo.com wrote:
> Callas wrote:
>
> > a. I need two hours riding beforehand to warm up
>
> That will deplete all your muscle glycogen. I ride to the
> start (15-20 mins) then do some stretches. Then I'm off.

I find, when riding, that my speed increases over time,
until about two hours have passed, then I'm holding down
52/14, which is my best current sustainable performance. I
cannot hold that down until that much time riding has
passed. If I rode 15/20 minutes and then tried to go fast I
would not match the performance I exhibit after two hours
of riding.

--
Callas

James Annan

Callas wrote:

> I find, when riding, that my speed increases over time,
> until about two hours have passed, then I'm holding down
> 52/14, which is my best current sustainable performance. I
> cannot hold that down until that much time riding has
> passed. If I rode 15/20 minutes and then tried to go fast
> I would not match the performance I exhibit after two
> hours of riding.

I have no idea how you can be going so badly wrong, but you
certainly are going badly wrong somewhere.

How hard do you ride in this "warm up"? What sort of times
do you manage for a 10 and 25?

James
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