did I just see... (TDF coverage)

Mike Jacoubowsk

As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to catch up,
doing quite a good job drafting off the following cars, they
showed #72 (Daniel Becke, Banesto) actually grab the left-
side mirror of a car and push himself forward.

I guess the real question is this: If there are no officials
cars to see something, but it's shown on the TV coverage,
can they be penalized after the fact when it's noticed
later? My guess is that if that does happen, it's rare,
since the riders certainly don't seem to care that there are
cameras around.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Steve

On 7/6/04 9:29 PM, in article
x_KGc.7349$P82.5562@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to catch up,
> doing quite a good job drafting off the following cars,
> they showed #72 (Daniel Becke, Banesto) actually grab the
> left-side mirror of a car and push himself forward.
>
> I guess the real question is this: If there are no
> officials cars to see something, but it's shown on the TV
> coverage, can they be penalized after the fact when it's
> noticed later?

NO!!! Just like Pro Wrestling, If the ref did not see the
other guy cheat he did not! Even if they show it repeatedly
on the TV afterwards.......:-)


> My guess is that if that does happen, it's rare, since the
> riders certainly
don't seem to care that there are
> cameras around.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>

Stan Cox

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to catch up,
> doing quite a good job drafting off the following cars,
> they showed #72 (Daniel Becke, Banesto) actually grab the
> left-side mirror of a car and push himself forward.
>
> I guess the real question is this: If there are no
> officials cars to see something, but it's shown on the TV
> coverage, can they be penalized after the fact when it's
> noticed later? My guess is that if that does happen, it's
> rare, since the riders certainly don't seem to care that
> there are cameras around.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
>
If the commisaires think it was too blatant they can
penalise him up to throwing him off the race. They would
probably be more interested if he was holding on to the car
for some time rather that slinging his way past it.

<pedant> Becke riders for Iles Baleares, Banesto are a
minor sponsor. Thats like saying Armstrong rides for Berry
Floor. </pedant>

Stan Cox

David Off

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to catch up,
> doing quite a good job drafting off the following cars,

Well the roads were little more than a car width wide and
the cars were in front so they had little choice but to zig-
zag between the cars.

Mike Jacoubowsk

> Becke riders for Iles Baleares, Banesto are a minor
> sponsor. Thats like saying Armstrong rides for Berry
> Floor. </pedant>

Sorry, I've been around too long I guess. Banesto will
always be Banesto to
me. Keep looking around for Kelme jerseys too!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Roger Hughes

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:49:21 +0200, David Off
<david.off_dumpthisbit_@voila.fr> wrote:

>Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to
>> catch up, doing quite a good job drafting off the
>> following cars,
>
>Well the roads were little more than a car width wide and
>the cars were in front so they had little choice but to zig-
>zag between the cars.

In any event, making best use of the race convoy is
considered legitimate for riders attempting to come back up
after a crash or mechanical problems. The instructions to
the commissaires in charge of the convoy traffic make that
clear (the front of the following cars are held back behind
riders who are just shot off until they are well dropped,
but will be brought straight past riders who are off the
back through misfortune).

Roger

Jim Flom

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote...
> As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to catch up,
> doing quite a good job drafting off the following cars,
> they showed #72 (Daniel Becke, Banesto) actually grab the
> left-side mirror of a car and push himself forward.

It's a Spain-Venezuela conspiracy (boy, a lot of
Spaniards on EE).

Brian Roth

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<x_KGc.7349$P82.5562@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
> As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to catch up,
> doing quite a good job drafting off the following cars,
> they showed #72 (Daniel Becke, Banesto) actually grab the
> left-side mirror of a car and push himself forward.
>
> I guess the real question is this: If there are no
> officials cars to see something, but it's shown on the TV
> coverage, can they be penalized after the fact when it's
> noticed later? My guess is that if that does happen, it's
> rare, since the riders certainly don't seem to care that
> there are cameras around.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

There has been a precident of using helicopter footage to
catch riders hanging onto cars in the mountians, but a
handsling off a car mirror will be overlooked in the middle
of the stage.

However, wasn't McEwen busted for his last kilometer
handsling in the Giro based on television footage?

Roland2k

"Jim Flom" <jimflom@telusREMOVE.net> wrote in message news:<IcTGc.6058$Rf.2318@edtnps84>...
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote...
> > As they were showing the Mayo EE group trying to catch
> > up, doing quite a good job drafting off the following
> > cars, they showed #72 (Daniel Becke, Banesto) actually
> > grab the left-side mirror of a car and push himself
> > forward.
>
> It's a Spain-Venezuela conspiracy (boy, a lot of
> Spaniards on EE).

I'll assume that's tongue-in-cheek as I'm sure you knew that
a prerequisite of riding for EE is that you were born or
educated in the Basque region:-}

Shadan Ardalan

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<lUMGc.12262$z61.6905@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...
> > Becke riders for Iles Baleares, Banesto are a minor
> > sponsor. Thats like saying Armstrong rides for Berry
> > Floor. </pedant>
>
> Sorry, I've been around too long I guess. Banesto will
> always be Banesto to
> me. Keep looking around for Kelme jerseys too!
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Sorry, I've been around *way* too long I guess. Banesto will
always be Reynolds to me. Keep looking around for Cafe de
Colombia jerseys too! ;-)

--Shadan-- Cassini Attitude Control Engineer
http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/galileo/bios/ardalan.html

Jim Flom

"Roland2k" wrote...
>
> I'll assume that's tongue-in-cheek as I'm sure you knew
> that a prerequisite of riding for EE is that you were born
> or educated in the Basque region:-}

Well, the conspiracy part was but I didn't know about the
Basque part.

Alex

You mean educated as a cyclist...

If you have been an amateur cyclist in a basque team you
qualify to be a memeber of EE. And that would include people
like R. Heras or Oscar Freire.

Right now they have Samuel Sanchez (not in the TdF) that is
not been born in the basque country and does not consider
himself basque, but developed as an amateur there.

"Jim Flom" <jimflom@telusREMOVE.net> wrote in message
newsD_Gc.8327$Rf.3488@edtnps84...
> "Roland2k" wrote...
> >
> > I'll assume that's tongue-in-cheek as I'm sure you knew
> > that a prerequisite of riding for EE is that you were
> > born or educated in the Basque region:-}
>
> Well, the conspiracy part was but I didn't know about the
> Basque part.

Stan Cox

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>Becke riders for Iles Baleares, Banesto are a minor
>>sponsor. Thats like saying Armstrong rides for Berry
>>Floor. </pedant>
>
>
> Sorry, I've been around too long I guess. Banesto will
> always be Banesto to
> me. Keep looking around for Kelme jerseys too!
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
Hey Mike I know exactly what you mean. I havent got used to
the lack of ONCE yet.

Stan Cox

Sonarrat

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:lUMGc.12262$z61.6905@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
> > Becke riders for Iles Baleares, Banesto are a minor
> > sponsor. Thats like saying Armstrong rides for Berry
> > Floor. </pedant>
>
> Sorry, I've been around too long I guess. Banesto will
> always be Banesto to
> me. Keep looking around for Kelme jerseys too!

I'm not an old-timer by any stretch, but I call them Banesto
too because "Illes Balears" is so awkward to pronounce.

-Sonarrat.