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04-07.-2004, 04:45 AM
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Cycling vs Running
Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the
relationship between the two sports? Thanks ahead of time! Number 9 |
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04-07.-2004, 07:00 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
I ran daily for about 20 years and gave it up about 8 years ago in favor of
cycling (long distances in both sports). I'm a much better cyclist than I was a runner, and it's much less punishing to my body. Too bad it took so long for me to figure this out. "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:7KDFc.4686$oD3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > relationship between the two sports? > > Thanks ahead of time! > > Number 9 |
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04-07.-2004, 07:46 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
How did the exchange of excercises go with you? Did you
compete at running? Do you compete now in cycling? "Bill" <bildom@removethisoptonline.net> wrote in message news:XRFFc.24181$aM4.6661948@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net... > I ran daily for about 20 years and gave it up about 8 > years ago in favor of > cycling (long distances in both sports). I'm a much better > cyclist than I was a runner, and it's much less punishing > to my body. Too bad it took so long for me to figure this > out. "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:7KDFc.- > 4686$oD3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > > relationship between the two sports? > > > > Thanks ahead of time! > > > > Number 9 > > > |
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04-07.-2004, 09:46 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:24:51 GMT, "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote:
>Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the >relationship between the two sports? I'm a poor runner -- I look like a freak while running, which isn't a problem because I can't do it for long, nor is there any purpose, as I can walk faster. I couldn't run away from a giant carnivorous snail. I'm a mediocre, at best, bicyclist. I can bike 40 or 50 miles at 14mph pretty easily nowadays, and even without putting in lots of miles, I do seem to be improving. I can bike away from the snail, unless I'm going uphill. I can't say if they're related. -- Rick Onanian |
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04-07.-2004, 10:45 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
"Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message
news:7KDFc.4686$oD3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > relationship between the two sports? > > Thanks ahead of time! > > Number 9 I have done both for many years. I find that cross-training is much better than specializing for physical fitness. The muscles are used differently for each exercise, so I am able to do more. I include for stretching and resistance exercises at my local Goodlife fitness gym. Cordially, Churchill |
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04-07.-2004, 12:00 PM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
It depends on why one is a poor runner. I know some
excellent cyclists who are poor runners because of their weight or their tendancy to get injured. I do both and find similarity in the aerobic conditioning. The main difference is muscles used. Cycling is mostly quads, running is hamstring and calfs. So, to transition from one sport to another will require some adaptation. "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:<7KDFc.4686$o- D3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>... > Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > relationship between the two sports? > > Thanks ahead of time! > > Number 9 |
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04-07.-2004, 12:45 PM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
Thank you for your response. Do you race your bike? My
running never achieved race quality, and I am hoping I can develop my cycling to do it! "Rick Onanian" <spamsink@cox.net> wrote in message news:h5kee0dndr8863a0hklp0bc39g9n0u31gl@4ax.com... > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:24:51 GMT, "Number 9" > <j@time.com> wrote: > >Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > >relationship between the two sports? > > I'm a poor runner -- I look like a freak while running, > which isn't a problem because I can't do it for long, nor > is there any purpose, as I can walk faster. I couldn't run > away from a giant carnivorous snail. > > I'm a mediocre, at best, bicyclist. I can bike 40 or 50 > miles at 14mph pretty easily nowadays, and even without > putting in lots of miles, I do seem to be improving. I can > bike away from the snail, unless I'm going uphill. > > I can't say if they're related. > -- > Rick Onanian |
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04-07.-2004, 09:00 PM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
I am w/o question a poor runner and a farily good cyclist,
and yes, you can do well at cycling even if you were a lousy runner. I do triathlons every once in a while (only because of friends that pressure me). I usually end up reasonably high after the cycling part. During the run, everyone passes me. Even though I hate racing, I can do bike races and finish ok. In a 10k I'll finish among the last runners. I think that leg length is very important in running while it is slightly less important in cycling. If you have proportianately short legs in relation to torso you'll be a lousy runner. When you are running, sometimes you are next to a friend that is barely jogging and s/he is dropping you. You move your legs really fast to keep up but your friend keeps dropping you. That is because s/he has a naturally longer stride. Andres "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:<7KDFc.4686$o- D3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>... > Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > relationship between the two sports? > > Thanks ahead of time! > > Number 9 |
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04-07.-2004, 09:00 PM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
"Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:<7KDFc.4686$oD3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? I think it is possible. It depends on why someone is a poor runner. If you have poor running mechanics but good cardiovascular capacity, probably so, if you are determined. I think there might be some interplay with how much cycling you have done over your lifetime, including as a child. Despite doing a lot of running myself I never felt like I was able to run at the same level that I can ride. I think there are tools like a fixed gear (for which there is no equivalent in running) that can force a cyclist to develop their biomechanical skills. OTOH, if someone is a poor runner because they are basically out of shape and have not put the effort yet into getting into proper condition, they are not going to become a good cyclist either until they commit to the work. > What is the relationship between the two sports? There's been a lot of stuff over the years about the incompatibility between the two sports. I'm not completely convinced of it. My feeling about running is that it is good for strengthening your cardiovascular system, like the "base miles" that cyclists go for before harder training. The thing you don't get is the leg strength and the power that you need to be a good cyclist. That comes with hard work, but if you have been doing a lot of running you are probably in a good place to start and may be surprised at how fast you improve if you push yourself. Contrary to what some people say, I think that an important part of "getting up to speed" is to challenge yourself frequently with relatively big gears. There is something about cycling that for me is less aversive than running. For the same heart rate, I find cycling less painful. I'm not sure why this is, but my theory is that the pounding your body endures while running adds to the overall discomfort in a subtle way. However, this is based on my personal observation and ability- despite the fact that I used to run 30-40 miles a week at 10 miles a pop, I always noticed with a certain amount of jealousy people who looked a lot more comfortable running than I felt. JP |
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04-07.-2004, 09:30 PM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
"andres muro" <andresmuro@aol.com> wrote:
> I think that leg length is very important in running while > it is slightly less important in cycling. If you have > proportianately short legs in relation to torso you'll be > a lousy runner. When you are running, sometimes you are > next to a friend that is barely jogging and > s/he is dropping you. You move your legs really fast to > keep up but your friend keeps dropping you. That is > because s/he has a naturally longer stride. Many top runners are quite short, so they have short legs. For instance, Kenenisa Bekele, recent world record setter in the 5000 and 10000, and zillion time world cross country running champion, is only 5'3" (160 cm). His leg to torso proportion looks average to me (maybe a bit torso long?). Why should it matter how long the torso is? Wouldn't weight be more important? Anyway, I'm a runner, follow the sport, see lots of pictures and don't see any trend towards high leg length to torso length ratios. Sure there are runners who are "all legs", but I can also recall many top marathoners with relatively short legs. Some elite runners are impossibly thin, others are very strong looking, though of course none are fat. As for myself, my proportions are around average, maybe slightly torso long: 5'10", 32.2-32.4" cycling inseam. I'm a decent runner and a better runner than cyclist. As a cyclist, I'm very strong in climbs. My running stride rate (full left and right cycle) is pretty much the same as my cycling cadence. It's about 92-95 for most of my regular training pace from say 10 minutes per mile to 6 minutes per mile. At slower speeds, people sometimes say that I have a short stride or an unusually high stride rate, but that's my natural stride rate and it's not any different from a cyclist pedaling at those cadences at low speeds. At 4:45 to 5:30 per mile, my stride rate is around 100-110. When doing strides at 14 sec/100m, my stride rate is 120-125. I think my running stride rates are pretty much the same as my cyc ling cadence at the same intensity (except for hills in cycling, but I still run a 42/24 low). |
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05-07.-2004, 09:00 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
Good observation, I used to run 12-20 miles a week, 7 years
ago. I noticed that I didn't necessarily get faster at that sport, but my cardio did not cut me off, and was in quite good shape. Cycling seems to be more directly Quadracep or whatever intensive than running. Thanks "JP" <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1f323b67.0407040400.5b19d9d1@posting.google.com... > "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:<7KDFc.4686$oD3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>- ... > > > Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? > > I think it is possible. It depends on why someone is a > poor runner. If you have poor running mechanics but good > cardiovascular capacity, probably so, if you are > determined. I think there might be some interplay with how > much cycling you have done over your lifetime, including > as a child. Despite doing a lot of running myself I never > felt like I was able to run at the same level that I can > ride. I think there are tools like a fixed gear (for which > there is no equivalent in running) that can force a > cyclist to develop their biomechanical skills. > > OTOH, if someone is a poor runner because they are > basically out of shape and have not put the effort yet > into getting into proper condition, they are not going > to become a good cyclist either until they commit to > the work. > > > What is the relationship between the two sports? > > There's been a lot of stuff over the years about the > incompatibility between the two sports. I'm not completely > convinced of it. My feeling about running is that it is > good for strengthening your cardiovascular system, like > the "base miles" that cyclists go for before harder > training. The thing you don't get is the leg strength and > the power that you need to be a good cyclist. That comes > with hard work, but if you have been doing a lot of > running you are probably in a good place to start and may > be surprised at how fast you improve if you push yourself. > Contrary to what some people say, I think that an > important part of "getting up to speed" is to challenge > yourself frequently with relatively big gears. > > There is something about cycling that for me is less > aversive than running. For the same heart rate, I find > cycling less painful. I'm not sure why this is, but my > theory is that the pounding your body endures while > running adds to the overall discomfort in a subtle way. > However, this is based on my personal observation and ability- > despite the fact that I used to run 30-40 miles a week at > 10 miles a pop, I always noticed with a certain amount of > jealousy people who looked a lot more comfortable running > than I felt. > > JP |
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08-07.-2004, 05:16 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 03:35:57 GMT, "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote:
>Thank you for your response. Do you race your bike? My >running never achieved race quality, and I am hoping I can >develop my cycling to do it! No, although I never tried, so I don't know how well I'd do. -- Rick Onanian |
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13-07.-2004, 05:54 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
"Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:<7KDFc.4686$oD3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > relationship between the two sports? I was never much of a runner. I ran track & field in high school. I usually did 100 yd dash, quarter mile, mile relay, and occasionally half mile. I was even worse at longer events never even managing a 7 minute milf. Luckily I was a much better discus thrower than runner as I never placed in any running event but I managed to score a few points for my team in discus. The bike racers I met when I was in high school in the 1970's seemed impossibly fit and talked casually about 100 mile rides. Based on my lack of success running I assumed that I'd never be able to successfully race bicycles. Even when I ran a lot I always carried an extra 10-15 lbs. and the bike racers I met looked like they lived in a concentration camp. In college I continued to run on and off but just for exercise not sport. I rode bicycles for transportation as well. I worked at a bike shop and nobody there ever expected me to ever get fast. I was getting dropped from medium (~16 MPH) training rides. When Winter arrived and you had to leave early to have enough light to ride I stayed behind to close the bike shop since everyone else who worked there either already raced or planned to. After locking the doors I rode the turbo trainer for an hour. I hit the trainer pretty hard and managed to get fit even without many road miles. I did ride with everyone on Sundays and every week I was stronger and after one ride where I went off the front with a strong Cat II racer they talked me into sending off for my license. I was always a rank amateur but I got fast enough to have a lot of fun. I raced 2.5 years before the pressure of paying bills and finishing college made me quit. At my fittest I was pinching below 5% body fat and looking at myself in the mirror I realized that I was as lean as the bike racers that seemed impossibly fit to me when I was in high school. I don't know that I'd ever call myself an "excellent" cyclist but I certainly saw a lot more success and fun on the bike than I ever did running. -- Bruce Jackson - Sr. Systems Programmer - DMSP, a M/A/R/C Group Company |
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13-07.-2004, 07:46 AM
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Re: Cycling vs Running
Thanks, I am a rank beginner, and your story does help, I
never really rode. Just started about 2 weeks ago, I can maintain 14mph right now, but hope to get alot better. Is 14mph good for a rank beginner? "Bruce Jackson" <b.a.jackson@ieee.org> wrote in message news:4f4147f8.0407120911.7f833ac8@posting.google.com... > "Number 9" <j@time.com> wrote in message news:<7KDFc.4686$oD3.2647@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>- ... > > > Can poor runners become excellent cyclists? What is the > > relationship between the two sports? > > I was never much of a runner. I ran track & field in high > school. I usually did 100 yd dash, quarter mile, mile > relay, and occasionally half > mile. I was even worse at longer events never even > managing a 7 minute > mile. Luckily I was a much better discus thrower than > runner as I never placed in any running event but I > managed to score a few points for my team in > discus. > > The bike racers I met when I was in high school in the > 1970's seemed impossibly fit and talked casually about 100 > mile rides. Based on my lack of success running I assumed > that I'd never be able to successfully race bicycles. Even > when I ran a lot I always carried an extra 10-15 lbs. and > the bike racers I met looked like they lived in a > concentration camp. > > In college I continued to run on and off but just for > exercise not sport. I rode bicycles for transportation as > well. I worked at a bike shop and nobody there ever > expected me to ever get fast. I was getting dropped from > medium (~16 MPH) training rides. When Winter arrived and > you had to leave early to have enough light to ride I > stayed behind to close the bike shop since everyone else > who worked there either already raced or planned to. After > locking the doors I rode the turbo trainer for an hour. I > hit the trainer pretty hard and managed to get fit even > without many road miles. > > I did ride with everyone on Sundays and every week I was > stronger and after one ride where I went off the front > with a strong Cat II racer they talked me into sending off > for my license. > > I was always a rank amateur but I got fast enough to have > a lot of fun. I raced 2.5 years before the pressure of > paying bills and finishing college made me quit. At my > fittest I was pinching below 5% body fat and looking at > myself in the mirror I realized that I was as lean as the > bike racers that seemed impossibly fit to me when I was in > high school. I don't know that I'd ever call myself an > "excellent" cyclist but I certainly saw a lot more success > and fun on the bike than I ever did running. > -- > Bruce Jackson - Sr. Systems Programmer - DMSP, a M/A/R/C > Group Company |
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