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Bush or Kerry or ???

Poll: Who will you (or would you, if not a US citizen) vote for in U.S. Pres. election '04?
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Old 08-05.-2004, 12:25 AM   #1
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Just curious what everyone's political leanings are...

I'm a Democrat; but if John McCain had been nominated in 2000, I would have easily voted for him.

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Old 08-05.-2004, 11:27 AM   #2
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Just curious what everyone's political leanings are...

I'm a Democrat; but if John McCain had been nominated in 2000, I would have easily voted for him.

Lisa


Wait a Democrat in Texas - sure you aren't hanging out in a motel in Oklahoma? Just kidding

It might be interesting to see one of these run once a month - of course all our friends across the pond might shoot us. (Assuming they can actually own guns in their countries)

I wonder if McCain will actually run again this year for his Senate seat - things have cooled off for him somewhat in Arizona but I don't seem him winning his seat back.

Hopefully you are dodging all the flooding and Heat waves in Texas - good riding
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Old 08-05.-2004, 10:49 PM   #3
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Just curious what everyone's political leanings are...

I'm a Democrat; but if John McCain had been nominated in 2000, I would have easily voted for him.

Lisa


I am curious. What policies of McCain's do you like that make you want to vote for him.

Have you heard the reports that he has a nasty temper and is very vindictive against those whom he thinks "crossed" him? I have seen those reports from widely divergent sources. Would somelike this sway your opinion of him, vis-a-vis temperment?
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Old 09-05.-2004, 10:16 AM   #4
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Just curious what everyone's political leanings are...

I'm a Democrat; but if John McCain had been nominated in 2000, I would have easily voted for him.

Lisa


I left the States because of the dismal state it is in... From the New Vietnam, destruction of the environment, and of course we now have a new civil rights war... At the end of the day, either you are a part of it or you are not. I didnt want to have anything to do with it and renounced my residency. If only I could find a reason to claim political asylum in another country...

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Old 09-05.-2004, 10:31 AM   #5
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I left the States because of the dismal state it is in... From the New Vietnam, destruction of the environment, and of course we now have a new civil rights war... At the end of the day, either you are a part of it or you are not. I didnt want to have anything to do with it and renounced my residency. If only I could find a reason to claim political asylum in another country...

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I am glad you are happy, but can you provide a little insight into some of the charges you made. For instance, "destruction of the environment?"

What, how, and by whom is the environment being "destroyed?"

A "new civil rights war?" Can you expand and provide some reasons you think this.
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ANYONE but Bush!



Do you realize how ignorant that makes you appear? Taken literally, it means you prefer Mussolini, Himmler, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Charles Manson, or Ken Lay as president.

If you are unhappy with Bush's policies, why not say that? You oppose the war on terrorism or in Iraq, fine, say that, and give your reasons.

But to say "ANYONE but Bush" says that you haven't a clue about much of anything.
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Old 10-05.-2004, 02:05 AM   #8
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The Bush presidency has been diasterous - the US economy is in
bad shape (the largest budget deficit in the history of the USA),
US foreign policy has been shown to be fundamentally wrong.
Under his stewardship, Bush has led the USA in to the position it now finds itself.
Do yourselves (and the rest of us) a favour - don't vote him back in next November.

However I wonder is Kerry a real alternative ?
From what I can see, he's brighter than Bush (no great plaudits in this) but would he be an effective president ?
It seems to me that the US people (those that actually take an interest and vote, that is) are being presented with two options :
Yale 1966 or Yale 1964 ie: is there any real difference ?
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The Bush presidency has been diasterous - the US economy is in
bad shape (the largest budget deficit in the history of the USA),
US foreign policy has been shown to be fundamentally wrong.
Under his stewardship, Bush has led the USA in to the position it now finds itself.
Do yourselves (and the rest of us) a favour - don't vote him back in next November.

However I wonder is Kerry a real alternative ?
From what I can see, he's brighter than Bush (no great plaudits in this) but would he be an effective president ?
It seems to me that the US people (those that actually take an interest and vote, that is) are being presented with two options :
Yale 1966 or Yale 1964 ie: is there any real difference ?


The economy was already a mess, we were already in a recession due to the Tech bubble crash - then add in Sept 11th, etc... As allot of economists will tell you, we would be worse off if the tax cuts hadn't gone in when they did.

Kerry an alternative? Kerry vs Kerry is one of the favorite items going around now. How many times can a guy flip flop on the issues even in the same sentance. No matter if you agree or disagree with the current president, if he says he is going to do something - he does it.

For the rest - I will say that opinions vary & leave it at that.
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The Bush presidency has been diasterous - the US economy is in
bad shape (the largest budget deficit in the history of the USA),
US foreign policy has been shown to be fundamentally wrong.
Under his stewardship, Bush has led the USA in to the position it now finds itself.
Do yourselves (and the rest of us) a favour - don't vote him back in next November.

However I wonder is Kerry a real alternative ?
From what I can see, he's brighter than Bush (no great plaudits in this) but would he be an effective president ?
It seems to me that the US people (those that actually take an interest and vote, that is) are being presented with two options :
Yale 1966 or Yale 1964 ie: is there any real difference ?


Fine, Limerick, you have treated us to another recital of the anti-Bush leftist rhetoric. But you failed to show any context, evidence, or factual information. That means it can all be taken with a grain of salt.
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Do you realize how ignorant that makes you appear? Taken literally, it means you prefer Mussolini, Himmler, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Charles Manson, or Ken Lay as president.

If you are unhappy with Bush's policies, why not say that? You oppose the war on terrorism or in Iraq, fine, say that, and give your reasons.

But to say "ANYONE but Bush" says that you haven't a clue about much of anything.


Thank you for your concern but I'm really not terribly interested that you may think my statement lacks the mark of intellect.

I would think it obvious that most would understand that the statement, "ANYONE but Bush", would apply only to those candidates running for the office. I simply don't have a strong preference either way as long as the country isn't subjected to another 4-years of Bush. I do feel strongly that any of the other candidates running for the office, would do a much better job.

If you want reasons, then I'll give you a rather broad one; Bush isn't an American. He was born here and holds citizenship but it takes more than that to be an American. You have to hold American values and ideals above the buzz-words like, "security", "saftey", "terrorism", etc. Bush shows himself to be diametrically opposed to the standards that defined this country and as such, shows himself to be other than American at heart. It would be difficult for anyone to blacken the name of the United States to a further degree than he already has.

If you find any arrogance in my opening statement of disinterest, then you know how your comments were perceived.

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Kerry an alternative? Kerry vs Kerry is one of the favorite items going around now. How many times can a guy flip flop on the issues even in the same sentance. No matter if you agree or disagree with the current president, if he says he is going to do something - he does it.

For the rest - I will say that opinions vary & leave it at that. [/B]


Even if he makes the wrong the decision (which he invariably does) - this is alright ?
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Fine, Limerick, you have treated us to another recital of the anti-Bush leftist rhetoric. But you failed to show any context, evidence, or factual information. That means it can all be taken with a grain of salt.


Bush's foreign policy failures :

1.Capturing BinLaden : failed
2.Capturing Mullah Omar : failed
3.Creating Democracy in Afghanistan : failed
4.Creating Deocracy in Iraq : failed.
5. Acting on reliable intelligence reports prior to 11th September
2001 : failed.

Other notable Bush policy errors :
Anatagonised the majority of EU nations - ignored or vetoed the UN - ignored or vetoed the Kyoto Treaty

Bush's economic policy :
1 :The value of the US Dollar has fallen by 35% since 2000.
2 : Nasdaq and Dow Jones indexes have collapsed against their
2000 values (DOW JONES was trading at above 10k and the
Nasdaq was above 4k).
3 : US budget 2000 showed the USA in surplus to 200 billion
US budget deficit at April 2004 is 500 billion dollars and
growing.
4 : US employment actually contracted in the years 2001 - 2003.
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