Sprint power on trainer vs. road

acoggan

jeff828

Sorry for the miscommunication on my part. You are right, doing long 1 hour TT type efforts will not make you a stronger sprinter against someone doing pure sprint work.
If you can sprint at 1200watts and your buddy can sprint 900watts you should beat him every time straight up.

“Unless”

“Hypothetically” speaking you you and him are being lead out at 30-35mph for the last 2-3k and you start to go anaerobic (95%) before the actual sprinting and your buddy has not (he’s maybe at threshold) he will most likely beat you every time. You cant sprint much from an anaerobic state as good.

I have experienced this first hand racing. For years when the pace would crank up at the end of a crit I was already at 200-203 HR on the last lap (max is 210) you cant sprint to good when your just about maxed, but now when the pace cranks up on the last lap my HR is about 185-190 and man is there a big difference.

So basically if your some what of a sprinter a higher aerobic cruise speed would help you in a sprint if the other guy is already taxed because of the pace being set.
Try sprinting from 95% of your max, then try sprinting from 80% of your max there should be a huge differance.

frenchyge

No, what he's saying is that riding around overgeared all the time won't make your legs any stronger or your sprint any better. The Gyming to Improve Power thread explains the theory there.

Billsworld

First question I am going to ask. I may have the chance to visit your country at some point. I am not much of a traveler....dont like panes.....My wife says to say she is from Cheatle??? Cheers BP

Billsworld

I saw an article of a BMX/4 cross aussie(forget his name) that trains with Sean Kelly on the track. The article said he did almost 2000 watts on an ergometer.

Meek One

Robert 'Bob' Lindstrom, an old school BMXer, can tear up a 200M. I witnessed him almost take out Gideon Massie last year in Frisco. Best 2 out of 3 I've seen in a while.

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ric_stern/RST

Cheadle is not too far from where i used to live in Sale, and then Didsbury. Wow, i've been to neither place in about 10 years!


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jeff828

I believe you thinking of Wade Bootes

jeff828

I believe it would make your legs stronger since you will have constant resistace on the muscles for a longer period of time, Think of it climbing a 10 mile climb, lets say 85-90rpm. If you only did 5 miles verses the whole 10 miles, which one would make your legs stonger.

I agree it wont make your sprint faster.

frenchyge

See if you still believe that after reading the other thread.

jeff828

Which other thread, Im always interested in input. Im kinda new at this tread posting thing.

Thanks again to all for your input

frenchyge

Stickied thread "Gyming to Improve Power" in the Cycling Training forum:

http://www.cyclingforums.com/t12613...rove-power.html

velomanct

You're exactly right. My sprint power during the finish of a crit is always around 30% less than what I am capable during training (when rested, aerobic). If only I could put out that power during a race, I would win most any sprint.

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jeff828

I hear ya brother I believe the key is a higher aerobic speed, sustained power, whatever you want to call it is the Holy Grail like Rapdad said. Its how to get it though?

Just think if we could time trial at 27-28mph (at threshold like the pros) and didnt toast your cookies much in a race, when there holding 30mph on the last lap, we really would have an advantage. I dont think Mcewen or Zable are dipping into their anaerobic reserves when their team is leading them out the last 2-3k. Im working on this specific method as we speak & throughout the winter.
Did you see the HRs some of these guys had this year on the tour de france, 100miles in and going 25-28mph, HR 100,110,120 No wonder they can do this day in and day out.