Australian Cycling probe

VeloFlash

Flyer said:

Poetic license or plain old common sense, horse sense when referring to AIS hormone matters, I guess?.... <snip>

Before going further, I nicely requested you to show evidence that the AIS was referred to by Dajka as being involved in doping and the AIS is experiencing difficulties in responding to the doping allegations.

Like a politician when the truthful answer does not suit his agenda, you avoided answering the questions but now add "AIS hormone matters."

Can you provide your references on the two outstanding matters and now the additional "AIS hormone matters"?

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VF

"Remember, even if you win the rat race, you are still a rat"

VeloFlash

Flyer:

It is noted you continued to evade answering the questions.

I put to you -

1. I have no emotional or any other attachment whatsoever with the AIS to be part of your alleged "cover up" to take a defensive stand over "institutional fraud". Sounds like a conspiracy allegation from a person who must be leaning towards paranoia. I do recognise the AIS has strict guidelines and accountability which makes it well nigh impossible to be party to preparing athletes using illegal PEDs or methods. The AIS is not a Pro Tour or trade cycling team but a government agency.

2. I do not sit in judgment of Jobie Dajka. He is answerable to a tribunal process.

3. A physical altercation between rider and coach (btw, not his coach) is a preposterous ground to "figure" that the AIS is involved in doping. Your figuring is illogical.

4. You said: "You have a lot of doping allegations about Australian cycling being both 'corrupt and drug-ridden', Dajka's own words." According to the referenced Velonews article the only allegation came from Dajka which was a general non specific allegation. How did you interpret Dajka's outburst into "a lot of doping allegations"? Poetic licence again?

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VF

"Remember, even if you win the rat race, you are still a rat"

EoinC

Sorry, Flyer. I think you may have jumped to a conclusion here. I have no connection, emotional or otherwise, with the AIS. I am a New Zealander who lives in Malaysia and don't follow or have any great interest in what AIS do or do not do.
If you read what I wrote, you will note that I did not make any claims as to whether it was true or not that AIS were leading their members into partaking in doping. I have no stand whatsoever on this as I know very little about the AIS and their methods.
The only thing I commented on was the way in which your argument was presented. The conclusion may be true and the premises may be true, but the conclusion is not self-evident from the premises.

VeloFlash

Flyer:

Add to the burgeoning list of questions where you have failed to provide an answer the following:

You said: "Testicomp, equine growth hormones and stilmulants all illegal and all under the nose of the National Coach and Team Doctor.

Mark French said the coach & the doc knew the program."

Provide your references that French took PEDs with the knowledge and in the presence of the team coach and doctor.

Flyer, you can't continue making up stories to meet your agenda. Look in the mirror and check to see if your nose is growing a la Pinocchio

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VF

"Remember, even if you win the rat race, you are still a rat"

VeloFlash

Did my homework prior to each posting. No news articles, local or international, that supports your "facts".

Suggest you provide your references to support your claims or withdraw them.

Would you like me to re-iterate your growing claims of fact that you are evading to support?

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VF

"Remember, even if you win the rat race, you are still a rat"