Supplements for Elites

Originally Posted by athletekitch

deja vu.

Been hearing this for fifteen years and still the population grows older. Some basic food science. Chemicals arn't sprayed over fruit/veg. They are stored in an oxygen and light deprived state until they are required and then they are exposed to light and oxygen to ripen.

Originally Posted by athletekitch

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/food...,995339,00.html

As you can see from the above link, the "chemicals" you are infering are not as dangerous as you infer (scaremongering is a common method of persuasion and is now getting a little tiresome). This is a common tactic used to promote supplement sales (not that I have anything against supplements as mentioned previously). The problem I have is aggressive sales pitches that insinuate death and disease if this supplement is not taken. I do think however that people should be educated in what is true and what is false and misleading. As for people ending up on ventilators etc. be realistic.

Originally Posted by SportDoc

We grow older d/t intervention. Living longer on a respirator, 23 medications, etc, etc doesn't count. I have read/been told time and time again that foods are sprayed. Hell, this was from distributors so unless they were lying to me............

Originally Posted by mitosis

That's a big call to say all fruit and veg are sprayed, as it is to say they are all kept in light and oxygen deprivation. Sounds like the common (and incorrect) call here that chickens are on steroids.

Sprays are used widely on fruit and veg here (mostly insecticides and herbicides), but rarely for ripening.

The worst that happens to most f and v in Australia is cold storage.

I still refute the need for vitamin supplements on the grounds that what we might miss out on quality (if it is true that vitamin and mineral content of some f and v may be lower these days) we make up on quantity.

Originally Posted by SportDoc

Once again, selective reading. Please highlight where I said all, I seemed to have missed it. Athletekitchen doesn't say all either........... I know distributors who only had "vine ripened" produce. Farmers market is "vine-ripened"/picked ripe produce. Take supplements or don't, doesn't matter to me ,but all available information states otherwise. Cheers.

Originally Posted by CatSpin

Racers who train hard, race fast and need to recover quckly...what do you take?


No comments about doping please, but if you fit the description above, I am trying to open a string that lists and debates the benefits of some of the supplements heralded beneficial by some cycling books and other manufacturers in the market. My latest research leads me to the following:


Multivitamins Strong in B's - General vits and minerals
Calcium and Magnesium - to prevent cramping
HMB and Tonalin - Lean muscle mass strength and support
Endurox R4 and Glutamine Peptides - Recovery
Whey Protein Shakes - recovery


but there are some other products such as,

Optigen - Oxygen intake booster
Ribose - sugar for training?
CMTs

....any good word on these?


Any fellow racers willing to discuss their "magic potions", lets here the good and bad experiences you have or had with supplements.



Tired of claims and looking for some good feedback,


CatSpin


PS - You either believe in taking supplement or you don't. If you don't please reserve your "no comments" to allow for room for an open discussion for athletes who feel that their performance will benefit with supplements.

PPS - Colnago posted a similar thread a couple of months ago but got no responses...hoping for better luck here.

Originally Posted by athletekitch

Elite athletes also need to consider "contamination" of supplements by banned subsatances - quite a few athletes have suffered this prob - hence ACSM and BOA (British Olympic Committee) recommendation to avoid supps.