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08-04.-2006, 05:27 AM

#76

shortfuse

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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Originally Posted by athletekitch

well I dont think a vitamin supplement will cure the worlds diseases either. New products aren't dismissed because they are new. If they are so good then research that stands up to peer review (with no bias i.e. double blind crossover studies) should illustrate the fact. Many companies neglect to allow vigorous research, however they sometimes state that in-house research (research designed to achieve a desired result) has been done and proves the claims. Their next step is to get people to rave about the product to boost its sales (a trap I believe you have fallen into). Once again: if the product works and meets its claims, then why are the companies not walking into independant laboratories and asking for such studies to be done, what are they scared of? The truth, the claims are bogus. The supplements industry is a multibillion pound industry that is poorly regulated - supplements are seen as "food stuffs" and are treated as such. Until supplement companies become tighter regulated i.e. having to prove their claims through appropriate research methodologies then Im afraid scepticism in my field will be here to stay.

In other words make supplements regulated like drugs? That's far from the answer. They already make cheap forms of vitamins like drugs, with synthetic chemicals. I don't think vitamins will cure diseases either, but on the other hand people don't realize that most vitamins are synthetically produced not from "foodstuffs" Most are eating chemical laden food every time they sit down for a meal. Processed food has additives(but you already know this)
Bacon and other processed meats have sodium nitrate which is a carcinogenic. These are the products hurting us and the FDA seems to be powerless to help the American public.
So, the American pubic will get more and more diseased unless something is done about the food supply or they start to make healthier eating choices, which may include whole food vitamins of which you will die in your sceptism.

08-04.-2006, 05:42 AM	#77
athletekitch Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19	Re: Supplements for Elites You are still missing the point. If the vitamin met its claims (and yes I have read the claims made by your product - scepticism becomes relavant) then why do they need testimonials when the research I outlined above would unequivocally prove the claims. The company would therefore not need to convince you through testimony. I also see they do the greatest slimming pill ever too.... wow, thats got me convinced __________________ Jason Kitchen BSc Managing Director/Chief Dietitian Athletes Kitchen Ltd

08-04.-2006, 05:58 AM

#78

shortfuse

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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You are still missing the point. If the vitamin met its claims (and yes I have read the claims made by your product - scepticism becomes relavant) then why do they need testimonials when the research I outlined above would unequivocally prove the claims. The company would therefore not need to convince you through testimony. I also see they do the greatest slimming pill ever too.... wow, thats got me convinced

I'm not the one missing the point

I know that whole food vitamins are the way to go regardless of what company you get them from.
Keep on with your belief and one of those diseases will get you too
Hope you eat lots of raw organic vegtables and fruits
If not my above saying will probably come true

brainwashed but not diseased

08-04.-2006, 06:21 AM	#79
athletekitch Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19	Re: Supplements for Elites You are sad mate. To have such a self righteous view of the world - and my health. "I took the greatest supplement in the world" - your epitaph? or just further evidence of the power of advertising. To actually stoop so low - rigorously defending a supplement just amazes me. Its like it is the be all and end all as far as your concerned, which is disturbing. Either you have a vested interest in the supplement or.... Wouldnt you rather listen to an educated professional advice (and Im not the only person trying to help you see sense), save a few bucks and eat a healthy diet in conjunction with your cycling? Common sense would certainly push me down that road. __________________ Jason Kitchen BSc Managing Director/Chief Dietitian Athletes Kitchen Ltd

08-04.-2006, 11:47 AM

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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You are sad mate. To have such a self righteous view of the world - and my health. "I took the greatest supplement in the world" - your epitaph? or just further evidence of the power of advertising. To actually stoop so low - rigorously defending a supplement just amazes me. Its like it is the be all and end all as far as your concerned, which is disturbing. Either you have a vested interest in the supplement or.... Wouldnt you rather listen to an educated professional advice (and Im not the only person trying to help you see sense), save a few bucks and eat a healthy diet in conjunction with your cycling? Common sense would certainly push me down that road.

The funny thing about all this is that I am not the only one that has this dim view as you call it.
If eating right would make all this better that is the direction I would take.
Look at articles from newstarget and even a doctor (Dr Mercola) and there are many others that know the truth
And by the way this forum is about vitamins and supplements and as far as I can see-you can C your way out of it.

08-04.-2006, 05:07 PM	#81
athletekitch Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19	Re: Supplements for Elites Well I can read the title of the thread and its wording suggests "elite cyclists". So far all you have done is tout this miracle vitamin with a convoluted name and shout down anyone with a shard of common sense by threatening disease and death if they dont roll over and buy it. There are suplements that will aid elites and that is what I expected to find however your flagrant tauting of your miracle vitamin has hacked off everyone else including me, and now you dont seem to be up to the discussion because I now what I am talking about and wont give in. It appears you are rattled sunshine. __________________ Jason Kitchen BSc Managing Director/Chief Dietitian Athletes Kitchen Ltd

08-04.-2006, 06:18 PM

#82

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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Originally Posted by athletekitch

Well I can read the title of the thread and its wording suggests "elite cyclists". So far all you have done is tout this miracle vitamin with a convoluted name and shout down anyone with a shard of common sense by threatening disease and death if they dont roll over and buy it. There are suplements that will aid elites and that is what I expected to find however your flagrant tauting of your miracle vitamin has hacked off everyone else including me, and now you dont seem to be up to the discussion because I now what I am talking about and wont give in. It appears you are rattled sunshine.

I always find it funny when these people who promote or express great ideas about miracle vitamins (or Power Cranks!) refuse to listen to people who have looked into the research of these things or understand/read the primary literature available. They then believe that science is 'ganging' up on them!

Anyway, more important things here -- back to my beautiful new born boy, Daniel Thomas.

Ric

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08-04.-2006, 07:55 PM

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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Originally Posted by shortfuse

Okay Jason
I don't consider myself ignorant-but maybe I am-I don't consider myself brainwashed and I do take The Greatest Vitamin in the World and have done so for over a year. Maybe I should just quit trying to help others learn about their health-especially since you are more qualified.
There are a lot of people around where I live that think a product like Shaklee
vitamins that make theirs out of parts of the cotton plant- think this is healthy. I for one don't eat cotton on a daily basis. Do you? Here's to Knowledge
I did not mean to offend you-If I did -I'm sorry

brainwashed

I think I've got it worked out. You've spent a fortune on these supplements and now someone has told you what you probably suspected anyway - that they are of no benefit - you are in denial.

And trying, for your own self respect, to somehow convince the more level-headed of us that you have been spending wisely.

Its not working.

08-04.-2006, 07:57 PM

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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Ric

Congratulations. If its your first you now begin the life of trying to fit in some exercise, sometime during the day.

08-04.-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mitosis

Congratulations. If its your first you now begin the life of trying to fit in some exercise, sometime during the day.

Many thanks. Daniel's our first, and he was 3 weeks early! I've not trained for a few day's now, but i'm hoping to get out for 90 or so mins tomorrow! Training has to be done, along with work, but most important is Daniel and Helen!

Thanks,
Ric

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08-04.-2006, 10:36 PM	#86
athletekitch Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19	Re: Supplements for Elites Hey Ric Many congrats, Daniel was pretty keen then!! Best of luck __________________ Jason Kitchen BSc Managing Director/Chief Dietitian Athletes Kitchen Ltd

08-04.-2006, 10:50 PM

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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Originally Posted by athletekitch

snip......... There are suplements that will aid elites and that is what I expected to find however your flagrant tauting of your miracle vitamin has hacked off everyone else including me........snip

Watching this verbal tennis match I was trying to figure out your stance on vitamins and supplements. Based your statement highlighted above perhaps I understand a little more of your position and that you are just trying to educate this audience about the promotion of one product and not a general denouncement of all supplements.

08-04.-2006, 11:56 PM

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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Hey Ric

Many congrats, Daniel was pretty keen then!! Best of luck

Thanks. He came early so he can go cycling earlier!

Ric

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09-04.-2006, 12:11 AM	#89
athletekitch Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19	Re: Supplements for Elites Hey Felt rider You hit the nail on the head mate. __________________ Jason Kitchen BSc Managing Director/Chief Dietitian Athletes Kitchen Ltd

09-04.-2006, 03:50 AM

#90

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Re: Supplements for Elites

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Originally Posted by tomUK

I am with Ric on this one.

There is not one instance I can recall of someone suffering a vitamin deficiency. Personally, I think the Vitamin industry was created out of fear. You can make any product sound like it is doing you some good. Surely 5 pints of beer every night has some benefit - it helps induce sleep!

Come now - If the vitamin industry went out of business tomorrow I don't think we would be a far less healthy nation for it! (maybe far richer).

Besides, any sedentary adult that is 'needing' to supplement their diet is surely eating burgers, fries and apple fritters too often.

Dangerous thinking. People with cardiovascular disease are quite often deficient in B vitamins that promote the normal metabolism of homocysteine that can ultimately lead to atherosclerosis. Our diets have become so low in Omega-3 fats, specifically DHA-EPA that clinical conditions of the brain are on the rise, i.e. alzheimers, dementia.

Our foods are processed to the point vitamins and minerals are removed, produce is picked early and sprayed with chemicals to ripen it, thus not allowing for the production of all vitamins and minerals. Our soils are depleted which decreases the nutritional quality of our food. A good multivitamin/mineral tablet is essentially a good idea for filling in the "holes" in our diet d/t the aforementioned reasson.

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