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Old 07-02.-2004, 08:13 AM   #16
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Ventolin is about 5 euros - 200/100micrograms : dose 1-2 x4 per day .
I use pulmicort ( a gluco-cortcoide ) 200 microgram : dose 100-800 once or twice a day :- 1 dose morning , 2 x evening . cost about 23 euros / 100 doses .

Haveing problems getting over a virus , will see doc ( sports med ) about a change as this is not working out that well .


If I remember correctly from the flovent documentation I think that the medication does have some impact on the immune system and may weaken it a bit! I double check to make sure :-)
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Old 14-02.-2004, 04:19 AM   #17
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Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

Having said that, I was experiencing fairly significant exercise-induced asthma, particularly after interval training. I would continue to hack and cough for hours after working out. I never thought anything of it, but it drove my wife nuts. She convinced me that I should have it checked out, I did, and got a prescription for something or other. It worked, but I wasn't happy about having to take a medication before every run or ride.

These days I chew two tablets of DGL (De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice) and take two capsules of ginger every morning. Result? No more coughing and hacking no matter how hard I go.

If you consider this please do some research. Licorice contains a naturally occurring substance known as glycyrrhizin. When consumed, glycyrrhizin has been shown to increase blood pressure and water retention.6 Since DGL has the glycyrrhizin removed, DGL tablets reportedly do not cause these potentially harmful side effects.

Although DGL and ginger are used primarily to alleviate GI distress, both have anti-inflammatory properties. I believe this is what prevents me from experiencing exercise induced asthma.
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Old 14-02.-2004, 05:02 AM   #18
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Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

Having said that, I was experiencing fairly significant exercise-induced asthma, particularly after interval training. I would continue to hack and cough for hours after working out. I never thought anything of it, but it drove my wife nuts. She convinced me that I should have it checked out, I did, and got a prescription for something or other. It worked, but I wasn't happy about having to take a medication before every run or ride.

These days I chew two tablets of DGL (De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice) and take two capsules of ginger every morning. Result? No more coughing and hacking no matter how hard I go.

If you consider this please do some research. Licorice contains a naturally occurring substance known as glycyrrhizin. When consumed, glycyrrhizin has been shown to increase blood pressure and water retention.6 Since DGL has the glycyrrhizin removed, DGL tablets reportedly do not cause these potentially harmful side effects.

Although DGL and ginger are used primarily to alleviate GI distress, both have anti-inflammatory properties. I believe this is what prevents me from experiencing exercise induced asthma.


same is said of chlorophyll tablets , thanks .
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Old 26-02.-2004, 06:05 PM   #19
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Don't rely on herbs or pills which aren't standardized. **** up and you are dead and potency varies A LOT.

Best thing I did with my asthma was eliminate milk from my diet.
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Old 27-02.-2004, 06:11 AM   #20
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Don't rely on herbs or pills which aren't standardized. **** up and you are dead and potency varies A LOT.


What's up with the scare tactics? Most drugs, whether in the form of herbs or pharmaceuticals, will only kill you if you take VERY large doses. So standardization, and there are labs that standardize their herbs, minimizes variations in potency and effectiveness. If your point is to suggest we look for quality labs that produce standardized products, then I am with you. If your point was to scare-monger and suggest that ALL herbs should be avoided, then I think you have gotten some bad science.

FWIW, I think your tag says it all: chemicalanarchy. Most people have an agenda of one sort or another, and yours seems obvious.
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Old 28-02.-2004, 02:25 AM   #21
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What's up with the scare tactics? Most drugs, whether in the form of herbs or pharmaceuticals, will only kill you if you take VERY large doses. So standardization, and there are labs that standardize their herbs, minimizes variations in potency and effectiveness. If your point is to suggest we look for quality labs that produce standardized products, then I am with you. If your point was to scare-monger and suggest that ALL herbs should be avoided, then I think you have gotten some bad science.

FWIW, I think your tag says it all: chemicalanarchy. Most people have an agenda of one sort or another, and yours seems obvious.


Don´t matter the source , all drugs can kill you in an asma attack if they don´t do their job : ie wrong dosage .
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Old 28-02.-2004, 03:13 AM   #22
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Don´t matter the source , all drugs can kill you in an asma attack if they don´t do their job : ie wrong dosage .


Yes. I didn't intend to comment specifically on an asthma attack, just on herbs and supplements in general. If someone is receiving medical attention for their condition, then he/she would be foolish to ignore that advice.

I thought that we were discussing strategies to manage exercise-induced asthma that is more of a nuisance than a life-threatening condition (e.g., coughing episodes and phlegm production). My mistake.
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Old 28-02.-2004, 05:27 AM   #23
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Are you really that naive?

Go check on the multiple studies on ginseng and other herbs and how wildly the BIOAVAILIBITY varies. I hope that isn't too difficult a word for you.

And chemical anarchy means what?

Nice red herring which does nothing more than show you don't know what you are talking about.

Nonetheless, if somebody takes an 'herb' for a life threatening condition, they are a fool.

There is an herb which has peudo and ephedrin and other stuff in which DOES work, but again, the variablitly in each batch VARIES! I tried it and it wasn't satisfactory.

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I have suffered from exercised induced asthma for approximately 10 yrs, and have been on a one-a-day tablet called Singular to take care of my problem. My Brother-in-law (who is a pulmonologist) a few years back gave me a 30 day sample which worked wonders to keep my asthma at bay. (I now rarely if ever need an my Albuterol inhaler).
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Old 11-03.-2004, 03:32 PM   #25
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hi! i have had asthma since i was a child, mostly allergy-triggered, but also from exercise. my asthma was moderate, but severe if touched off by a cat or polen or cold air. but i was able to conquer my asthma by running (which i had never been able to do previously). i woud bring an albuterol (fast-acting) inhaler with me in case of emergency, but i would just run until i felt like i was going to have trouble breathing, then walk until my breathing returned to normal, then run again. eventually, i worked up to running 9 miles per hour without even getting winded! also, it helped me to really stop and think whether i needed to use the inhaler in other situatins, and if i could get by without it, i practiced breathing deeply and calmly until my wheezing went away. but still, i am allergic to cats! if you want to get into homeopathic stuff, though, be careful because many times they contain "ma huang," or ephedra, which is pure amphetamine, and can cause tons of health probems, decrease your performance, and is addictive to boot!

anyway...good luck!!
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Don't rely on herbs or pills which aren't standardized. **** up and you are dead and potency varies A LOT.

Best thing I did with my asthma was eliminate milk from my diet.


I won't even comment on the herb issue since I can't say whether or not there is any standardization. But I find it interesting that so many seem to have glossed over the comment on removing milk from the diet. There has been a fair amount of research on the benefits of removing dairy from the diet of asthma sufferers and it seems to have some merit. It might even be better than stuffing yourself full of chemicals if it does the trick.

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I have asma , treatment includes Salbutamol , inhaled gluco-cortcoids . Are there any mechanical ways to try and improve my condition , as I´m getting real tired of having to stop , cough and spit when going uphill . Thanks .


Like many others who have posted in this threat, I take a variety of medications. I am a mountain biker, and I know from experience when I first start riding I have to start slowly - otherwise I will cough up and spit. Once the season gets going I am OK.

I also recommend that you keep your house or apartment free of dust and mold. On the days after I vacuum and dust and clean out my air conditioner, I can breathe much more easily. Therefore, I can cycle more easily too.
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