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Join Date: Aug 2001
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The recent performance of the South African team at the Tour de Langkawi is proof of their international ability.
1 Mapei - Quick Step 90h21'04" 2 Rep South Africa 90h32'15" 3 Colombia-Selle Italia 90h32'45" 4 Alexia Alluminio 90h42'58" 5 Bonjour 90h48'36" 6 Acqua & Sapone 90h55'59" 7 Telekom Malaysia 90h57'30" 8 Team Fakta 91h13'29" 9 Lotto - Adecco 91h19'29" 10 Credit Agricole 91h20'30" 11 iTeamNova.com 91h22'52" 12 Relax - Fuenlabrada 91h23'49" 13 Canada 91h28'39" 14 Mobilvetta Design 91h30'49" 15 Ag2r Prevoyance 91h38'06" 16 Japan 91h38'56" 17 Ceramiche Panaria 91h39'55" 18 Team Nürnberger 91h50'50" 19 Palmans-Collstrop 91h59'55" 20 Philippines 92h03'31" 21 Malaysia 92h14'35" 22 China 92h59'29"
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I was not saying they are no good. I was just saying the only south african cyclist iv heard of is Robbie Hunter.
mind you Stuart O'grady leaves him in the dust ![]() |
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Hey Nicholas, I've been reading the comments on this thread and did not want to react, but your careless talk has forced me to barge in here.... >
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Just because you don't hear of them doesn't mean they're not there - let's elaborate a little more : David George, a top SA pro got a Silver medal in the World TT Champs in 2000. He rode for the US Postal Team (heard of them ??) and in the Vini Caldirola Team (Italy) last season. Ryan Cox, a young up and coming rider (23yrs) is currently riding in the Cologne Team (Germany) and finished in 65th place in the Elite Road Race at the World's last year. Other SA riders who have been given contracts and are campaigning in Europe this season are Rudolph Wentzel (26), the only non-Belgian riding for the Vlaanderen-T Interim Team, and Darryn Lill (20). The reason SA doesn't have too many riders in Europe at this stage is because of the Sport boycott in the 70's and 80's - this isolation meant the riders were not exposed to International competition and that put the sport back 20 years in this country. Had it not been for that, you can be sure that numerous riders from this continent would have made a name in World Cycling. One such rider was Alan van Heerden, who rode against and beat non other than Sean Kelly in his early pro years on a few occasions. As for Aussie riders riding then, Phil Anderson (heard of him ?), Australia's best ever Classics rider, rode in the Peugeot team with Alan and he wasn't in the same class then (p.s. Phil did go on to some great achievements in his career). As for Robbie Mc Ewen kicking dust... this is "Pantani Talk". Either rider deserves respect and both are different types of rider. Hunter is a hard man with the amazing ability to produce in the World's toughest single day events (Tour of Flanders, Paris-Roubaix, Paris-Tours, etc.). McEwen is a rider who can stick it out in long stages and produce powerful sprints at the end. Recently, in the Gent-Wevelgem where both riders participated, RH was 6th and RME was 25th - who was riding cobblestone dust into who's eyes then ?? : ![]() In the UCI rankings, McEwen is currently ranked 32nd & and Hunter 59th. It must be noted though that the majority of McEwen's points were scored in Australia against majority Aussie competition at the beginning of the year. Hunter's points were scored in Europe and Asia against majority European competition. As for who's riding for the better team, we won't go there.... So let's just chill and hold the bashing back as you don't want to go creating a "mine-is-better-than-yours" attitude in this forum. That's not why we come here. ![]() |
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Morning Nic, Who is Stuart O'Grady..O.Yes.. now I remember. Thats the guy who had the yellow yersey in last years TDF. Now how can you compare S O'G with RH in last years race.O'Grady was the #1 rider in agricole and that means all his team mates must make sure he looks good in the race. They have to work, protect and support him. Roberts role was to do the working for his #1 team rider with a "agreement" that if he is still in the sprint, he can challenged. Do you think Lance Amstrong win the TDF soleley on his own. Yes, Lance win some stages on his own because he is a exceptional cyclist. But it was his team mates who controlled him and the race,that first week. You can never "compare" riders directly to each other, unless they race against each other. The stronger the team members, the better the #1 cyclist of that team. This sport is so great, rather appreciate the cyclist who do well in the international scene, no matter where he came from. Yes, our country is set back because of our history, but we cannot use that as a excuse for bad sporting performances. BUT we need to give compliments if its due and Big.Mig mentioned the names
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: George , South Africa
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Hi everybody,
S.O.G. and R.H , who is the best? They themselves will prove that. As for Anriette, I think we will hear a lot more about her in the near future. She will be at the Worlds come October, and I expect her to do well. Just a pity that she won't be able to ride in our Tour de Eden :'(, because of the World Champs. |
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You guys ever heard of Jessica Philipps? The most beautiful face in cycling!
As for you SA residents complaining about having no international exposure, think of how I feel....ever heard of any Filipino pro cyclist? I didn't think so :P |
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dont sook go out there and practice and maybe you will be the first one ;D ;D ;D |
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I dream about that everyday. However, it is just a dream ![]() |
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Newcastle, South Africa
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Hee hee, my 2 cents into the debate....<br /><br />In 94 I raced in Europe. It was those early days when we as South Africans didn't know much about the racing scene in Europe thanks to boycots as mentioned above.<br /><br />It was quite a shock to go from averages of around 37-42 Kph races in SA to 45+ kph races in Europe. I can proudly say that I &quot;kakked&quot; off over there. My system took some serious punishment. All I can say is that we were not exposed to real racing in SA. You get your bunch of exceptional riders that would ride away from the bunch and they would be in small groups of 5 to 10 riders. In Europe you are in a group of up to 120 riders at the same levels of fitness. And there is no letting up on pace to have a little chit chat as we were so used to in SA.<br /><br />For our guys slowly making inroads into Europe I take my helmet off to them. They are champions in their own right. And they should be regarded that way back home. It's a whole different level of riding over there to what we were used to back home. Not many riders from SA would be able to make it that easily over there but those who do, I hold them in high regard. Robbie Hunter also had to adjust and with time he has got to where he has today. <br /><br />So too if Anriette had to land a contract to race a big time womans team I am sure she will advance in leaps and bounds.<br /><br />We have been very disadvantaged during the boycott era but world watch out here comes a force to be reconed with.<br /><br />
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