Re: Time trial crank arm length 172.5 vs. 175

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:25:02 +0000 (UTC), Claus Assmann
<no@email.invalid> wrote:

>Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> My saddle height is 39" or 990 mm - if you really believe that I could tell
>> whether my saddle height was off by 2 mm I wonder just how sensitive your
>> senses are.
>
>Nobody is claiming that you can detect that. However, you are
>claiming that nobody can detect this, which is obviously very
>different. And your claim is simply wrong (I did detect it and at
>least one other poster wrote he did too).
>
>Some people are very sensitive about some things...
>Just like some cyclist are much better at cornering than
>other because they have a better "feel" for the bike.

It also has to do with where the cyclist's position is in terms of the
size of the riders' limbs and his/her flexibility.

Tom Kunich

"Claus Assmann" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
news:g3rs7u$6fl$1@mothra.sendmail.com...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> My saddle height is 39" or 990 mm - if you really believe that I could
>> tell
>> whether my saddle height was off by 2 mm I wonder just how sensitive your
>> senses are.
>
> Nobody is claiming that you can detect that. However, you are
> claiming that nobody can detect this, which is obviously very
> different. And your claim is simply wrong (I did detect it and at
> least one other poster wrote he did too).
>
> Some people are very sensitive about some things...
> Just like some cyclist are much better at cornering than
> other because they have a better "feel" for the bike.

Claus, not that I'm doubting you believe that, but my guess is that in a
blind test you wouldn't get even near being able to judge closer than 1%
which is almost a centimeter on my bike and leg length.

Now stranger things have happened - I worked with a Chinese engineer who
could look at something and tell you within a mm of it's measurements and I
tested him dozens of times since I couldn't believe it.

dustoyevsky@mac.com

On Jun 24, 4:40*pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:

> At some point, depending on the size of the hand, even the tenth of an
> inch extra distance may be noticeable because the stretch will start
> to hurt, just as some riders may notice after some riding that a small
> change in crank length makes their knees sore.

You're going to think I'm picking on you, CF. Not. Maybe trying to
budge you a bit. Well, what can I say, I never believed in "bad backs"
until I acquired one. Sometimes that's what it takes... (not wishing
nuttin' on no one, never)

I changed to shorter (by 7.5mm), my knees _stopped_ being sore. Just
to stress, the knee pain thing was not the reason for the change, at
all. But, some welcome gravy, for sure. I'm sure I fiddled with seat
height to some extent at least, because I used to do so, a la Merckx
on occasion, when things hurt. Well, not rolling into the finale of a
Worlds Road race, but referring to fairly large changes and free
experimentation. Knees have given the least amount of trouble over the
last eight or nine years (since change) ever. Including finally going
to clipless and riding different bikes with different seat tube angles
and I'm sure saddle heights-- and top tube lengths, too.

Crank length is "ergo" IMHO. Gain (hey, Sheldon! Miss ya!) is gain.
Pick your crank length first, gears second if applicable.

FWIW, me have short legs, large muscles (formerly larger, ahem),
tight hamstrings in spite of hours of tender stretching. --D-y

Scott

On Jun 24, 2:05*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
> > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > saddle. *If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>
> You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance from
> the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.

Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
you're talking about.

What often feels like a too-high saddle is nothing more than a case of
tight hamstrings, and after any significant effort on my TT bike I
feel like my road bike saddle is too high. I've learned to leave it
alone until I've ridden enough to warm up/loosen up. Usually the too-
high sensation goes away within about 15-20 minutes. If not, I might
lower the saddle a couple of mm, three mm at the most. But... if I
screw up and leave it there for any length of time at all I'll develop
serious pain under the kneecap. Move the saddle back up to where it
belongs, and knee pain is gone.

Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bike with
the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
get it right.

Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
that flexes too much.

Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
everyone.

Tom Kunich

"Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad670c75-459b-40c1-ba0c-e1dc0ed30101@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 24, 2:05 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
> > > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > > saddle. If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
> >
> > You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
> > from
> > the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> > anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
> you're talking about.

Followed by:

> Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
> vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bike with
> the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> get it right.

Psst - a centimeter or two is around 2%, I hate to point this out to you but
you're agreeing with me. Yet it bothers you that I say almost exactly what
you just said.

> Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> that flexes too much.

And when you're able to detect 2% I would be surprised if you couldn't tell
that the saddle was way off since flexible saddles can bend a centimeter or
two as well.

> Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> everyone.

You seem to know enough to agree with me while saying that you don't.

Scott

On Jun 24, 6:38*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ad670c75-459b-40c1-ba0c-e1dc0ed30101@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 2:05 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > > "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
> > > > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > > > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > > > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > > > saddle. If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > > > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > > > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>
> > > You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
> > > from
> > > the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> > > anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> > Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> > someone they were wrong. *But, you haven't got a clue about what
> > you're talking about.
>
> Followed by:
>
> > Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
> > vs 75.7 cm from the BB? *No. *But, I can get on almost any bike with
> > the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> > you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> > get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> > get it right.
>
> Psst - a centimeter or two is around 2%, I hate to point this out to you but
> you're agreeing with me. Yet it bothers you that I say almost exactly what
> you just said.
>
> > Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> > desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> > for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> > that flexes too much.
>
> And when you're able to detect 2% I would be surprised if you couldn't tell
> that the saddle was way off since flexible saddles can bend a centimeter or
> two as well.
>
> > Oh, hell... what do I know??? *You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> > everyone.
>
> You seem to know enough to agree with me while saying that you don't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
by 2cm. I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
to get it right without measuring first. Beyond a couple of cm out of
norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. Big
difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.

jim beam

Scott wrote:
> On Jun 24, 2:05�pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
>>> tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
>>> changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
>>> not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
>>> saddle. �If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
>>> either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
>>> noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>> You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance from
>> the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
>> anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
> you're talking about.
>
> What often feels like a too-high saddle is nothing more than a case of
> tight hamstrings, and after any significant effort on my TT bike I
> feel like my road bike saddle is too high. I've learned to leave it
> alone until I've ridden enough to warm up/loosen up. Usually the too-
> high sensation goes away within about 15-20 minutes. If not, I might
> lower the saddle a couple of mm, three mm at the most. But... if I
> screw up and leave it there for any length of time at all I'll develop
> serious pain under the kneecap. Move the saddle back up to where it
> belongs, and knee pain is gone.
>
> Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
> vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bike with
> the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> get it right.
>
> Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> that flexes too much.
>
> Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> everyone.

you're not alone, but kunich could never respect that - he's only here
to piss and moan. and in that respect, this forum, unfortunately, feeds
his trolling only too well.

jim beam

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Claus Assmann" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
> news:g3rs7u$6fl$1@mothra.sendmail.com...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>> My saddle height is 39" or 990 mm - if you really believe that I
>>> could tell
>>> whether my saddle height was off by 2 mm I wonder just how sensitive
>>> your
>>> senses are.
>>
>> Nobody is claiming that you can detect that. However, you are
>> claiming that nobody can detect this, which is obviously very
>> different. And your claim is simply wrong (I did detect it and at
>> least one other poster wrote he did too).
>>
>> Some people are very sensitive about some things...
>> Just like some cyclist are much better at cornering than
>> other because they have a better "feel" for the bike.
>
> Claus, not that I'm doubting you believe that, but my guess is that in a
> blind test you wouldn't get even near being able to judge closer than 1%
> which is almost a centimeter on my bike and leg length.
>
> Now stranger things have happened - I worked with a Chinese engineer who
> could look at something and tell you within a mm of it's measurements
> and I tested him dozens of times since I couldn't believe it.
>

what a typically dumbass kunich comment! within 1mm on a 1mm electical
component is a chuffing big deal. and most experienced mechanics can
tell the difference between a 11mm and 12mm fastener on sight. but
kunich won't qualify a statement so it makes sense, only so that he can
stir the pot.

as for mentioning ethnicity, it's utterly freakin' irrelevant kunich.
goddamned troll.

Scott

On Jun 24, 9:30*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 8:29 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 6:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > > "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:ad670c75-459b-40c1-ba0c-e1dc0ed30101@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > On Jun 24, 2:05 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > > > > "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups..com...
>
> > > > > > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, butI can
> > > > > > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > > > > > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > > > > > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > > > > > saddle. If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > > > > > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > > > > > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>
> > > > > You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
> > > > > from
> > > > > the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> > > > > anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> > > > Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> > > > someone they were wrong. *But, you haven't got a clue about what
> > > > you're talking about.
>
> > > Followed by:
>
> > > > Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5cm
> > > > vs 75.7 cm from the BB? *No. *But, I can get on almost any bikewith
> > > > the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> > > > you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> > > > get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> > > > get it right.
>
> > > Psst - a centimeter or two is around 2%, I hate to point this out to you but
> > > you're agreeing with me. Yet it bothers you that I say almost exactlywhat
> > > you just said.
>
> > > > Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> > > > desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> > > > for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> > > > that flexes too much.
>
> > > And when you're able to detect 2% I would be surprised if you couldn't tell
> > > that the saddle was way off since flexible saddles can bend a centimeter or
> > > two as well.
>
> > > > Oh, hell... what do I know??? *You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> > > > everyone.
>
> > > You seem to know enough to agree with me while saying that you don't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
> > by 2cm. *I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
> > to get it right without measuring first. *Beyond a couple of cm out of
> > norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
> > measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
> > can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. *Big
> > difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.
>
> *If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> it.
>
> Bret- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my arse again?

Robert Chung

On Jun 24, 8:48*pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:30*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > *If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > it.
>
> Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my arse again?

He wouldn't have to do that if you'd stop asking, "does this saddle
height make my ass look fat?"

Scott

On Jun 24, 10:01*pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 8:48*pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 24, 9:30*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > *If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > > it.
>
> > Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my arse again?
>
> He wouldn't have to do that if you'd stop asking, "does this saddle
> height make my ass look fat?"

I'm big boned.

Bret

On Jun 24, 9:48 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:30 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 8:29 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 24, 6:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:ad670c75-459b-40c1-ba0c-e1dc0ed30101@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > On Jun 24, 2:05 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > > > > > "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
> > > > > > > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > > > > > > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > > > > > > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > > > > > > saddle. If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > > > > > > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > > > > > > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>
> > > > > > You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> > > > > > anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> > > > > Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> > > > > someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
> > > > > you're talking about.
>
> > > > Followed by:
>
> > > > > Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
> > > > > vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bike with
> > > > > the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> > > > > you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> > > > > get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> > > > > get it right.
>
> > > > Psst - a centimeter or two is around 2%, I hate to point this out to you but
> > > > you're agreeing with me. Yet it bothers you that I say almost exactly what
> > > > you just said.
>
> > > > > Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> > > > > desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> > > > > for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> > > > > that flexes too much.
>
> > > > And when you're able to detect 2% I would be surprised if you couldn't tell
> > > > that the saddle was way off since flexible saddles can bend a centimeter or
> > > > two as well.
>
> > > > > Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> > > > > everyone.
>
> > > > You seem to know enough to agree with me while saying that you don't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
> > > by 2cm. I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
> > > to get it right without measuring first. Beyond a couple of cm out of
> > > norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
> > > measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
> > > can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. Big
> > > difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.
>
> > If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > it.
>
> > Bret- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my arse again?

No, we can tell by listening.

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On Jun 24, 8:48*pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:30*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 24, 8:29 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
> > > by 2cm. *I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
> > > to get it right without measuring first. *Beyond a couple of cm outof
> > > norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
> > > measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
> > > can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. *Big
> > > difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.
>
> > *If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > it.
>
> > Bret
>
> Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my arse again?

When you ride up to people and ask if they've
got an allen wrench, that's the tipoff.

Hey, can you hold my post while I adjust this nut?

Ben
You people have dirty minds.

M-gineering

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "M-gineering" <ikmotgeenspam@m-gineering.nl> wrote in message
> news:g3rnr9$q23$1@localhost.localdomain...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>> You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
>>> from the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time
>>> detecting anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>>
>> Stick your 175 mm wide skull in a 178.5 and a 171.5mm wide opening and
>> please report back
>
> Marten, what exactly does that have to do with estimating lengths that
> can't easily be detected without measuring devices? Is it your
> impression that you can tell if your saddle is 1 mm (0.04") different in
> height? What about double that?
>
> My saddle height is 39" or 990 mm - if you really believe that I could
> tell whether my saddle height was off by 2 mm I wonder just how
> sensitive your senses are.
>
>

I thought the original question was whether an increase in cranklenght
from 172.5 to 175 would change the biomechanics to increase power and or
duration. Along the line this is changed to be equivalent to 'can you
measure cranklenght by pedalling half a revolution' and topped up with
the ridiculus statement that the human body cannot detect small variations.

And before anyone asks I'm not a succesfull coach, I but know a few who
are (who willl freely admit to zero knowledge about biomechanics )

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/Marten

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