Holy crap, this place is dead

Crankyfeet

Yeah cause Ferrari had nothing to do with the winning.

The book is part of the whole spin. Problem is nearly all pro cyclists, including Bruyneel, are selected by evolution as guys who will sacrifice integrity for results. That's why the whistle-blowers are so despised by the Omerta. Truth is not the value. The spin is. The book is just another Carmichael, "faster cadence", load of self massaged BS by the sounds of it.

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coneofsilence

Have you tried the "faster cadence" BS Cranky? Or are you like Mr Ullrich??

Crankyfeet

You need to be on dope that aids your cardiovascular system before the faster cadence makes sense.

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Jeff Vader

You know. All joking aside. I really do think that the difference between Ulrich and Armstrong mainly boils down to the cadence thingy. Armstrong would accellerate and drop Ulrich like a rock. Ulrich couldn't follow the accellerations. It took him a while to get moving and when he did he usually clawed back big chunks of time on Armstrong. He would always lose by a minute. But that minute was the gap that Armstrong put on him with the acceeleration before Ulrich's diesel kicked in.

Plus, you know, the cadence thing really works. I am freakin serious. Huge amounts of drugs also help.

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Bro Deal

It's funny to see cyclists riding around, spinning like a hampster in an exercise wheel, and going dead slow but convinced they are training like The Lance. It is almost painful to watch them downshift four gears and crawl up a small hill instead of standing up and powering over the little fucker. All the mythical tales of Armstrong's higher cadence have infected the whole rec side of cycling.

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limerickman

In the old days, we used cadence training.
Our friends over the water (in U.K.) used call it The Method.
But as Orwell says "this was in a time before history was re-written"

The secret was to maintain a set cadence, in a set gear, for a set period of time.
In our club, Stephen Roche was the man when it came to this type of training.
That's how he got his metronomic pedalling action.

Funny how Mr Carmichael et al were never aware of this before 1999.
(cough).

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

Cadence thingy, as you put it, does work and has done since competitve cycling started.

Hampsten was a fine exponent of it - beautiful pedalling action too.
Hampsten didn't use EPO as I recall.

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morelike hypocrisy.

whiteboytrash

I see them out on the road all the time.... generally decked out in their USPS or Disco kit (funny how they won't migrate to the Astana wear) on their matching Trek bikes and they spin like mountain bike riders up a 80% gradients...... embarrassing....

Rolfrae

Even my old coach at the Elgin CC taught us to spin gears at our Thursday evening turbo sessions. That was back in the 80s, long before Lance and Carmichael had their "eureka moment". The problem is, for many cycling fans (esp Americans) cycling began with Lance's first Tour win. I bet Johan just wrote that book to annoy us.

limerickman

Get away?
You mean they had ........cadence training........back in the 1980's.......???.........I don't believe it.
Don't you know that cadence training started in 1999???????????

A trip to the re-education centre is on the cards for you starting with 1,000 lines of "Cadence training was invented by Chris Carmichael"

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morelike hypocrisy.

Runitout

Then there's that old thing about training with your winter fixie down a 9% descent. You sure learn how to pedal quick then.

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Rolfrae

Yes Lim, as far back as the 80s. I swear, it's true. Can you believe a person can even be that old? Don't make me do those lines! I was so busy cadence training I didn't learn how to read and write! (In case you're wondering, my secretary dictated and typed this post.)

limerickman

Without brakes too!!

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Runitout

Chapeau bas.

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