Did Greg get greedy again?

RicodJour

On Jun 22, 11:25 am, BrandyCyc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 22, 12:13 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman compared to
> > Lance.
>
> Let's face it. We (Americans) are not getting the sort of
> ambassadorship from either of these former champions that we would
> have hoped. Throw in Floyd and you've got the cast of a crummy
> reality TV show rather than a cycling Hall of Fame.

Hmmm, I think you're on to something. Let's come up with a name for
the show. Cycotics Abominous?

R

Tim McNamara

In article <BqGdnY3yxrT_0sPVnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> "Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-A7D9A3.23130821062008@news.iphouse.com...
> >
> > As far as the stuff with Trek, allegation != proof. Maybe Lemond
> > did it, maybe he didn't. Maybe he sold the bikes for a boatload of
> > cash, maybe he gave them to charities. That's gonna make a
> > difference in how we view his actions.
> >
> > Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman
> > compared to Lance.
>
> 1) The implication that Trek is lying about LeMond is so silly as to
> make you look silly.

I did not make that implication, Tom. Once again you are missing the
point. I stated that allegation != proof. Is that so hard for you to
understand?

> 2) When did you meet Lance and/or LeMond in order to make such a
> judgment?

I've met Lemond twice (he lives hereabouts) as well as having watched
much of his career like most everyone else interested in bike racing.
In person he's a very nice guy. A little insecure and anxious-seeming
in terms of personality. There are, of course, stories about his
appearing quite self-important and arrogant. Those may be true, it's
just not what I have seen when I have met him.

I've not met Lance and have only his many interviews on TV and in the
media. His personality seems cocky and abrasive to me, and obsessive
and controlling. Those of course are some of the factors that made him
as successful as he was.

Of the two, I'd rather have Lemond over for dinner than Armstrong.

Tom Kunich

"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-FC9D97.12454722062008@news.iphouse.com...
>>
>> 1) The implication that Trek is lying about LeMond is so silly as to
>> make you look silly.
>
> I did not make that implication, Tom. Once again you are missing the
> point. I stated that allegation != proof. Is that so hard for you to
> understand?

Maybe you're missing the point here - Trek isn't prosecuting LeMond. They
are saying that he took a load of bicycles from them as "personal use" bikes
and sold them off cheaply to others thereby cutting out local dealers. They
don't have to "prove" a thing. They're telling you WHY they're dropping
LeMond.

>> 2) When did you meet Lance and/or LeMond in order to make such a
>> judgment?
>
> I've met Lemond twice (he lives hereabouts) as well as having watched
> much of his career like most everyone else interested in bike racing.
> In person he's a very nice guy. A little insecure and anxious-seeming
> in terms of personality. There are, of course, stories about his
> appearing quite self-important and arrogant. Those may be true, it's
> just not what I have seen when I have met him.
>
> I've not met Lance and have only his many interviews on TV and in the
> media. His personality seems cocky and abrasive to me, and obsessive
> and controlling. Those of course are some of the factors that made him
> as successful as he was.
>
> Of the two, I'd rather have Lemond over for dinner than Armstrong.

So you prefer rumors to knowledge. I was under the impression that you lived
in the Bay Area since you post on the ba.bicycles site.

I met Greg briefly but certainly nothing to form any opinions about him.
However, the quotes of him in the press certainly don't make him look
particularly good. I did meet Lance's mom and she was a very nice person.
Usually and apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

BrandyCycles@gmail.com

On Jun 22, 1:45 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <BqGdnY3yxrT_0sPVnZ2dnUVZ_r_in...@earthlink.com>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> >news:timmcn-A7D9A3.23130821062008@news.iphouse.com...
>
> > > As far as the stuff with Trek, allegation != proof. Maybe Lemond
> > > did it, maybe he didn't. Maybe he sold the bikes for a boatload of
> > > cash, maybe he gave them to charities. That's gonna make a
> > > difference in how we view his actions.
>
> > > Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman
> > > compared to Lance.
>
> > 1) The implication that Trek is lying about LeMond is so silly as to
> > make you look silly.
>
> I did not make that implication, Tom. Once again you are missing the
> point. I stated that allegation != proof. Is that so hard for you to
> understand?
>
> > 2) When did you meet Lance and/or LeMond in order to make such a
> > judgment?
>
> I've met Lemond twice (he lives hereabouts) as well as having watched
> much of his career like most everyone else interested in bike racing.
> In person he's a very nice guy. A little insecure and anxious-seeming
> in terms of personality. There are, of course, stories about his
> appearing quite self-important and arrogant. Those may be true, it's
> just not what I have seen when I have met him.
>
> I've not met Lance and have only his many interviews on TV and in the
> media. His personality seems cocky and abrasive to me, and obsessive
> and controlling. Those of course are some of the factors that made him
> as successful as he was.
>
> Of the two, I'd rather have Lemond over for dinner than Armstrong.

Likewise. Unless...LA promised to bring Kate Hudson along...

Actually, I think Floyd would be more interesting dinner-tainment then
either Greg or Lance.

BrandyCycles@gmail.com

On Jun 22, 11:36 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 11:25 am, BrandyCyc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jun 22, 12:13 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman compared to
> > > Lance.
>
> > Let's face it. We (Americans) are not getting the sort of
> > ambassadorship from either of these former champions that we would
> > have hoped. Throw in Floyd and you've got the cast of a crummy
> > reality TV show rather than a cycling Hall of Fame.
>
> Hmmm, I think you're on to something. Let's come up with a name for
> the show. Cycotics Abominous?
>
> R

Perfect name for it. Wait until Versus gets hold of that concept...

Michael Press

In article <timmcn-A7D9A3.23130821062008@news.iphouse.com>,
Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman compared to
> Lance.

No, he is not. Armstrong does not make the kinds of public
statements that LeMond makes. As for what either has done
there is no basis for refusing either the respect due to a
gentleman except for what LeMond has said. LeMond's long,
unbroken history of gratuitous attacks proves that he is
no gentleman.

--
Michael Press

Bill Sornson

Michael Press wrote:
> In article <timmcn-A7D9A3.23130821062008@news.iphouse.com>,
> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman
>> compared to Lance.
>
> No, he is not. Armstrong does not make the kinds of public
> statements that LeMond makes. As for what either has done
> there is no basis for refusing either the respect due to a
> gentleman except for what LeMond has said. LeMond's long,
> unbroken history of gratuitous attacks proves that he is
> no gentleman.

Agree completely. I heard a long interview with him on radio about two
years ago, and I thought he was a petty, obviously jealous whiner. He also
made statements/accusations that he couldn't possibly prove.

Armstrong's a class act compared to Lemond.

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:51:52 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
wrote:

>He also
>made statements/accusations that he couldn't possibly prove.

Haha.

As opposed to you, who make statements that others can easily
disprove.

Hahahaha.

Tom Kunich

"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:rubrum-F9481A.22274422062008@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <timmcn-A7D9A3.23130821062008@news.iphouse.com>,
> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman compared to
>> Lance.
>
> No, he is not. Armstrong does not make the kinds of public
> statements that LeMond makes. As for what either has done
> there is no basis for refusing either the respect due to a
> gentleman except for what LeMond has said. LeMond's long,
> unbroken history of gratuitous attacks proves that he is
> no gentleman.

Mind you, we only know Greg by the statements he is quoted on. In my
experience, you cannot judge someone by the way they're being presented in
the media.

zekeskar@yahoo.com

On Jun 20, 11:16 pm, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <t...@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>
> news:xJCdnWGee7BlH8HVnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>
>
>
> > Crecentius Vespasianus wrote:
> > > I think everyone saw the Trek/Lemond split coming ?
>
> > > Trek Company Update, ?Trek to Immediately Sever Relationship with
> > > Greg LeMond?
>
> > > There?s a Press Release and a whole media primer. If this is public, you
> > > can bet it got real nasty ? you can even smoking gun it yourself in this
> > > initial summons and read a ways into the complaint to find that it?s an
> > > alleged Bro deal gone wrong (page 4, para 16)!
>
> > > ? since 1999 Greg LeMond has made numerous purchases of LeMond
> > > bicycles at employee pricing from Trek with a suggested retail value of
> > > over $2,500,000. Upon information and belief, Greg LeMond has resold,
> > > bartered for value or otherwise distributed many or most of these bikes,
> > > harming Trek and its dealers
>
> > > copied fromhttp://bikehugger.com/2008/04/trek_drops_lemond.htm
> > > --------
> > > Is there no end to this guy's greed?
>
> > $2.5m at say $2.5k full retail value each, that's 1000 bikes. over 9
> > years, that's 111 per year, or roughly 10 per month.
>
> > put another way, the dow dropped from ~12300 to ~11800 this week, wiping
> > out about 4% of your retirement portfolio,
>
> Not me, I like it when the Dow drops since I moved all my 401K money
> to a money market last year as soon as the news broke about the mortgage
> shit. I knew the fan was coming and now I'm laughing my ass off. As soon
> as the market stops dropping and starts going up I'll move it all back into
> stocks and clean up!
>
> Ted

Ah a market timer! A sure losing strategy in the long run.

Michael Press

In article <goCdnQB90tNUWsLVnZ2dnUVZ_tTinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rubrum-F9481A.22274422062008@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> > In article <timmcn-A7D9A3.23130821062008@news.iphouse.com>,
> > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >> Lemond's not my favorite guy, but he's a downright gentleman compared to
> >> Lance.
> >
> > No, he is not. Armstrong does not make the kinds of public
> > statements that LeMond makes. As for what either has done
> > there is no basis for refusing either the respect due to a
> > gentleman except for what LeMond has said. LeMond's long,
> > unbroken history of gratuitous attacks proves that he is
> > no gentleman.
>
> Mind you, we only know Greg by the statements he is quoted on. In my
> experience, you cannot judge someone by the way they're being presented in
> the media.

Greg LeMond has had long enough and enough experience
to be held responsible for his public statements. He
has been consistently disparaging. If he thinks he is
misrepresented in the media he has the choice to speak
well of others for public consumption.

--
Michael Press