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24-06.-2008, 11:19 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:25:57 +0100, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >Mark wrote: > >> We struggle to get our weekly food shopping in a large car! However I >> do live in a large household. > >With a decent trailer you can get quite a lot on board, but not as much >as you can get in a large car. > >OTOH, it's not generally the end of the world to do a shop twice (or >more) a week, especially if it doesn't cost you anything and helps to >get you some exercise. If you have time. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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24-06.-2008, 11:42 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Mark wrote: > >> We struggle to get our weekly food shopping in a large car! However I >> do live in a large household. > > With a decent trailer you can get quite a lot on board, but not as much > as you can get in a large car. > > OTOH, it's not generally the end of the world to do a shop twice (or > more) a week, especially if it doesn't cost you anything and helps to > get you some exercise. Yes; not so much adding a chopping trip as saving a trip to the gym. BugBear |
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25-06.-2008, 12:58 AM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:59:35 +0100 someone who may be Mark
<i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net> wrote this:- >We struggle to get our weekly food shopping in a large car! However I >do live in a large household. Mike Small, the main man behind the Fife Diet, <http://fifediet.wordpress.com/about/> has a box of vegetables delivered every week which provides most of the food needed by a family of four. They eat a meat minimised diet, meat and extra vegetables coming from small suppliers and the farmers market. A larger family could have more boxes delivered. Although promoted as the Fife Diet it is mildly amusing that the veg box (actually veg nets) supplier is based outwith Fife, though not very far outwith Fife. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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25-06.-2008, 03:45 AM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
Mark <i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:25:57 +0100, Peter Clinch > <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >>Mark wrote: >> >>> We struggle to get our weekly food shopping in a large car! However I >>> do live in a large household. >> >>With a decent trailer you can get quite a lot on board, but not as much >>as you can get in a large car. >> >>OTOH, it's not generally the end of the world to do a shop twice (or >>more) a week, especially if it doesn't cost you anything and helps to >>get you some exercise. > If you have time. The critical question is whether the time you save by using a car rather than a bicycle is enough to pay for the cost of using the car rather than a bike. That cost has to include the cost of extra time exercising to make up for the loss of exercise to the car driver, or if you like the cost of the lost health and fitness. -- Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] |
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25-06.-2008, 04:44 AM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
Chris Malcolm wrote:
>The critical question is whether the time you save by using a car >rather than a bicycle is enough to pay for the cost of using the car >rather than a bike. Or indeed exists at all. If the shop is only a short way away, the driving and parking may well take significantly longer than the riding (especially if you have car-free cycling routes available). It certainly does here in Newham. R -- When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. -- H. G. Wells |
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25-06.-2008, 03:48 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
Mark wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:25:57 +0100, Peter Clinch > <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >> OTOH, it's not generally the end of the world to do a shop twice (or >> more) a week, especially if it doesn't cost you anything and helps to >> get you some exercise. > > If you have time. That's always the assumption with cars, that they save time. There's been more than one occasion where I've decided to "save time" by taking the car for some reason, and saved a few minutes at most, sometimes if it's been the wrong time of day there's a fair chance I've been behind. And a general point of time management is that you've actually got more time than you think. Can you really not spend an extra hour or whatever from your life during a week, an hour where you can relax and/or exercise and according to circumstances either share with the family or take some time to yourself. In other words, try it before you assume it can't be done, and you may be pleasantly surprised. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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25-06.-2008, 05:10 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:44:27 +0000 (UTC), Roger Burton West
<roger+urc200806@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote: >Chris Malcolm wrote: > >>The critical question is whether the time you save by using a car >>rather than a bicycle is enough to pay for the cost of using the car >>rather than a bike. > >Or indeed exists at all. If the shop is only a short way away, the >driving and parking may well take significantly longer than the riding >(especially if you have car-free cycling routes available). It certainly >does here in Newham. In our case the supermarket is not very far away, but the route is very hilly and definitly not bicycle friendly. I can't imagine how we could find time to do two more shops in a week, unless it means going at midnight. I can't imagine facing the roads full of drunks and taxi drivers that would exist then. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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25-06.-2008, 05:18 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:48:39 +0100, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >Mark wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:25:57 +0100, Peter Clinch >> <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: > >>> OTOH, it's not generally the end of the world to do a shop twice (or >>> more) a week, especially if it doesn't cost you anything and helps to >>> get you some exercise. >> >> If you have time. > >That's always the assumption with cars, that they save time. > >There's been more than one occasion where I've decided to "save time" by >taking the car for some reason, and saved a few minutes at most, >sometimes if it's been the wrong time of day there's a fair chance I've >been behind. I don't remember ever using the car if the time savings were marginal. Most of my journeys are either local[1] (in which case I normally walk or cycle) or are longer[2] (in which case the car is really the main option). >And a general point of time management is that you've actually got more >time than you think. Can you really not spend an extra hour or whatever >from your life during a week, an hour where you can relax and/or >exercise and according to circumstances either share with the family or >take some time to yourself. LOL! I really don't have much spare time - certainly not two hours for an extra trip to the supermarket. If I do I can find something much better to do. ;-) >In other words, try it before you assume it can't be done, and you may >be pleasantly surprised. > >Pete. [1] 0-3 miles [2] 20+ miles -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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25-06.-2008, 05:22 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:58:03 +0100, David Hansen
<SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk> wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:59:35 +0100 someone who may be Mark ><i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net> wrote this:- > >>We struggle to get our weekly food shopping in a large car! However I >>do live in a large household. > >Mike Small, the main man behind the Fife Diet, ><http://fifediet.wordpress.com/about/> has a box of vegetables >delivered every week which provides most of the food needed by a >family of four. They eat a meat minimised diet, meat and extra >vegetables coming from small suppliers and the farmers market. A >larger family could have more boxes delivered. > >Although promoted as the Fife Diet it is mildly amusing that the veg >box (actually veg nets) supplier is based outwith Fife, though not >very far outwith Fife. Actually an organic vegetable box delivery was something we were thinking about doing. There are farmers markets around here, but the only ones I know are open only during working hours. I don't think a "meat minimized" diet would go down well in my house though! -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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25-06.-2008, 05:46 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:10:16 +0100 someone who may be Mark
<i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net> wrote this:- >In our case the supermarket is not very far away, but the route is >very hilly and definitly not bicycle friendly. I saw a television programme less than a week ago where some experts were looking at the shopping bill of a "typical" family who did most of their shopping in a typical UK style supermarket. All part of the angst about food prices. They switched the family to meat and veg from a butcher and greengrocer (cheaper). They switched many other things to Lidl or Aldi. They also fetched many things out of the house bins and made meals with them. All in all they easily reduced the cost of shopping by ISTR £700 a year, enough the woman claimed to keep her in shoes for a year. They will also reduce packaging dramatically. None of this means that the family have to wear hair shirts and spend all day cooking, the usual sort of claims from those who dismiss this sort of thing. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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25-06.-2008, 06:00 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:46:00 +0100, David Hansen
<SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:10:16 +0100 someone who may be Mark ><i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net> wrote this:- > >>In our case the supermarket is not very far away, but the route is >>very hilly and definitly not bicycle friendly. > >I saw a television programme less than a week ago where some experts >were looking at the shopping bill of a "typical" family who did most >of their shopping in a typical UK style supermarket. All part of the >angst about food prices. Although I haven't seen this programme I wouldn't be surprised that they had cherry picked the family to make it easy to make the programme. This has been done in all the similar programmes I have seen. We'd love to reduce our food bill which is now about the second largest monthly expense for our household and rapidly closing. >They switched the family to meat and veg from a butcher and >greengrocer (cheaper). If only..... There are butchers and greengrocers in the area but not near each other so this would mean more trips. Also I have found butchers/greengrocers to be more expensive, although have better produce. >They switched many other things to Lidl or >Aldi. They also fetched many things out of the house bins and made >meals with them. All in all they easily reduced the cost of shopping >by ISTR £700 a year, enough the woman claimed to keep her in shoes >for a year. They will also reduce packaging dramatically. I don't fancy fishing things out of bins to eat! (And I've probably spend less than £700 on shoes _ever_). >None of this means that the family have to wear hair shirts and >spend all day cooking, the usual sort of claims from those who >dismiss this sort of thing. I agree it can work but not for everyone. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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25-06.-2008, 06:12 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk> writes:
> by ISTR £700 a year, enough the woman claimed to keep her in shoes > for a year. That was the incredible bit. Unless in a single year she needs to buy new top-of-the-range road bike shoes, MTB shoes with all the pedalry and cleatery. Just goes to show how not-very-hard-up-at-all some of the whingers are. Jon |
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25-06.-2008, 06:16 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:22:04 +0100 someone who may be Mark
<i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net> wrote this:- >Actually an organic vegetable box delivery was something we were >thinking about doing. Well worth doing, at least until you start growing your own:-) You do need to adapt the cooking style to something more flexible, for example to make use of the vegetables which are in the box. This is no problem and finding out what something new is can be an interesting task. The supplier should say what anything unusual is and there will be loads of recipes on the Interweb thingy. The overall result is a more varied set of meals, as opposed to a small set of pre-packed meals and favourite recipes. >There are farmers markets around here, but the >only ones I know are open only during working hours. The ones where I live are all on Saturday mornings, 9am to 1pm. >I don't think a "meat minimized" diet would go down well in my house >though! Neither did some of the people doing the Fife Diet, but they have discovered it is not as bad as they thought it would be. IIRC the box scheme people <http://www.bellfield-organics.com> will now supply bacon, though that is not on their web site. It is bought from another supplier nearby. Of course meat can also be delivered (and in Ye Olden Days it was by the butcher's boy). For example one of our local meat producers delivers to the locality <http://www.multiwebvista.com/puddledub/delivery.php>. I have not checked up on the others, we have a good butcher and fishmonger and there is no problem pottering along to one of the farmer's markets. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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25-06.-2008, 06:19 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:12:32 +0100 someone who may be Jonathan
Schneider <jon@jschneider.tenreversed> wrote this:- >Just goes to show how not-very-hard-up-at-all some of the whingers >are. Can you remember what the programme was called and what channel it was on? It might still be available if anyone is interested. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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25-06.-2008, 06:39 PM
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Re: Interest in shopping by bike
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:00:07 +0100 someone who may be Mark
<i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net> wrote this:- >Although I haven't seen this programme I wouldn't be surprised that >they had cherry picked the family to make it easy to make the >programme. This has been done in all the similar programmes I have >seen. They obviously picked one family to feature. Sadly they didn't look particularly untypical to me. I know a number of families where they throw away large amounts of uneaten food. This tends to be due to a combination of buying too much (two for one offers are a particular problem), fussy eaters and placing far too much reliance on "use by" dates. This food also tends to be over-packaged, with the result that they have a bulging bin. Some of the food could easily be frozen rather than thrown out. I think their approach is a combination of not knowing basic housekeeping, thinking it is the only way to do things and having too much money. >We'd love to reduce our food bill which is now about the second >largest monthly expense for our household and rapidly closing. Although <http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/campaigns/crew/resources/> is about waste it will also reduce shopping bills. "Top Tips to be a SMART shopper!" contains a few useful tips. >I don't fancy fishing things out of bins to eat! They fished everything edible out of the bins, but only used those things which were still in their plastic coffin. Some of the things they didn't use could easily have been frozen rather than being thrown away. >I agree it can work but not for everyone. There is not an "it". There are many things one can do, some will be suitable for a particular family and some not. As the old saying goes the longest journey starts with a single step. When people try one thing and find that it does not cause the sky to fall in they then gain the confidence to try other things. One of the problems with television programmes is that they promote instant changes (they do it with transport and garden programmes too, to take just two examples). Reality is rather different and it is only when looking back over a number of years that one can see how big the changes have been. Each change was small, but they added up to a lot. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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