Re: Killer Squirrel attack

Michael Press

In article
<rcousine-6CB576.01110920062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <e374a2d9-81ca-4258-9e0a-466cb0df5cc1@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> Dan O <danoverman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 19, 7:44 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > "Dan O" <danover...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > news:0f9fb585-87b0-4c39-aed2-f05123f0d31f@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > > On Jun 19, 12:22 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> > > >> On Jun 18, 7:54 pm, Mike A Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo
> > >
> > > > Since, thankfully, "... he's now ok" I can say it: Steel is real.
> > >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the fork breaking somewhat reduce
> > > pivoting of the bike/rider into downward force? In other words, if the fork
> > > hadn't broken, would the inertial forces of the bike/rider have rotated
> > > downward as the front wheel could no longer spin?
> >
> > You mean to suggest that you think it would've been worse with steel
> > forks?!? Did you see the Life Flight pics or what?! How would you
> > like to just lose the whole frickin' front end of your bike at speed?
>
> Well, even I believe it's very likely the squirrel-body would have given
> out first, but it would have been a rapid deceleration nonetheless.
>
> Also, never underestimate the utter randomness of bike crashes. At
> tonight's criterium race, two of my teammates collided and ended up
> landing on the ground, off the side of the course, about two feet from
> each other. One went home with a band-aid or two. The other went to the
> hospital with a probable broken collarbone and collapsed lung. His bike
> had a slightly bent rear rim and a big gash in the saddle.

Rule 1: Always land on top of the other guy.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press

In article <485B3670.2030200@whatchamcallit.net>,
Me <user@whatchamcallit.net> wrote:

> Werehatrack wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT), carlfogel@comcast.net may
> > have said:
> >
> >> On Jun 18, 7:54 pm, Mike A Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo
> >> Dear Mike,
> >>
> >> Just cross-posting your link to the crash pictures to RBT, where the
> >> detailed photos of the damage may be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Carl Fogel
> >
> > When will people learn that if you're going to ride squirrel dicer
> > wheels, you need to sharpen the spokes properly?
> >
>
> Or, just get squirrel inhibitor(tm) wheels! With their closely-spaced
> spokes, there isn't enough space for squirrels to get lodged! Low
> spoke-count wheels such as these Mavic Krysiums seem designed to catch
> squirrels and fling them up against the fork. Hmmm...wonder when some
> sleazy lawyer will figure out that his new niche lies in suing
> manufacturers of squirrel-catcher wheels when these crashes happen?

Squirrels are quick. Remember that the spokes going to the
contact patch are moving very slowly. A squirrel can see that.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press

In article <mmnn5456lrgt6sefk4u4te08fgis9dge8e@4ax.com>,
Werehatrack <rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:42:48 -0700 (PDT), sergio
> <servadio@df.unipi.it> may have said:
>
> >On Jun 20, 6:47 am, Me <u...@whatchamcallit.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm...wonder when some
> >> sleazy lawyer will figure out that ...
> >
> >... while Insurance Companies will require us to ride TT- like,
> >squirrel repellent, dish wheels.
>
> Naaah, they'll just make the event organizers deploy effective
> squirrel-control methods...which will, of course, be available only
> from a company that's owned by the cousin of the insurance company's

20 gauge and a hamper of bird shot.

--
Michael Press

carlfogel@comcast.net

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:54:26 -0600, Werehatrack
<rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:

>Squirrels around here are too fat to get past the spokes . . .

[snip]

Dear Werehatrack,

Naturally, I googled for fat squirrels.

This one is ready for a hard winter:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...at_squirrel.jpg

Beer drinkers are an imaginative lot:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/590/9900

There'll always be an England:
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008945211

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Werehatrack

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:45:10 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
may have said:

>In article <485B3670.2030200@whatchamcallit.net>,
> Me <user@whatchamcallit.net> wrote:
>
>> Werehatrack wrote:
>> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT), carlfogel@comcast.net may
>> > have said:
>> >
>> >> On Jun 18, 7:54 pm, Mike A Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo
>> >> Dear Mike,
>> >>
>> >> Just cross-posting your link to the crash pictures to RBT, where the
>> >> detailed photos of the damage may be appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Carl Fogel
>> >
>> > When will people learn that if you're going to ride squirrel dicer
>> > wheels, you need to sharpen the spokes properly?
>> >
>>
>> Or, just get squirrel inhibitor(tm) wheels! With their closely-spaced
>> spokes, there isn't enough space for squirrels to get lodged! Low
>> spoke-count wheels such as these Mavic Krysiums seem designed to catch
>> squirrels and fling them up against the fork. Hmmm...wonder when some
>> sleazy lawyer will figure out that his new niche lies in suing
>> manufacturers of squirrel-catcher wheels when these crashes happen?
>
>Squirrels are quick. Remember that the spokes going to the
>contact patch are moving very slowly. A squirrel can see that.

Squirrels around here are too fat to get past the spokes of a 36-spoke
wheel; I've had a few dash out towards me, but they've mostly turned
aside when they got a look at my old-school 36-spoke wheels. One
bounced off the spokes, hit my leg and did some aerobatics before
running off in a different direction.

--
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Michael Press

In article <3h5p5410f9aal0tlscc278dhqsvs9d13is@4ax.com>,
Werehatrack <rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:45:10 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
> may have said:
>
> >In article <485B3670.2030200@whatchamcallit.net>,
> > Me <user@whatchamcallit.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Werehatrack wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT), carlfogel@comcast.net may
> >> > have said:
> >> >
> >> >> On Jun 18, 7:54 pm, Mike A Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo
> >> >> Dear Mike,
> >> >>
> >> >> Just cross-posting your link to the crash pictures to RBT, where the
> >> >> detailed photos of the damage may be appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> Carl Fogel
> >> >
> >> > When will people learn that if you're going to ride squirrel dicer
> >> > wheels, you need to sharpen the spokes properly?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Or, just get squirrel inhibitor(tm) wheels! With their closely-spaced
> >> spokes, there isn't enough space for squirrels to get lodged! Low
> >> spoke-count wheels such as these Mavic Krysiums seem designed to catch
> >> squirrels and fling them up against the fork. Hmmm...wonder when some
> >> sleazy lawyer will figure out that his new niche lies in suing
> >> manufacturers of squirrel-catcher wheels when these crashes happen?
> >
> >Squirrels are quick. Remember that the spokes going to the
> >contact patch are moving very slowly. A squirrel can see that.
>
> Squirrels around here are too fat to get past the spokes of a 36-spoke
> wheel; I've had a few dash out towards me, but they've mostly turned
> aside when they got a look at my old-school 36-spoke wheels. One
> bounced off the spokes, hit my leg and did some aerobatics before
> running off in a different direction.

Agree. Never thought otherwise. You make my point that
they recognize a no-go zone.

--
Michael Press

BobT

"Werehatrack" <rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote in message
news:j09m5450usq6isfcu247a4qns3ju281kct@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT), carlfogel@comcast.net may
> have said:
>
>>On Jun 18, 7:54 pm, Mike A Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo
>>
>>Dear Mike,
>>
>>Just cross-posting your link to the crash pictures to RBT, where the
>>detailed photos of the damage may be appreciated.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Carl Fogel
>
> When will people learn that if you're going to ride squirrel dicer
> wheels, you need to sharpen the spokes properly?
>
> --
> My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
> Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
> Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

It that why bladed spokes were created?

BobT

Zarniwoop

On Jun 21, 8:58 am, "BobT" <RobertLeeTaylor...@THISSuddenLink.net>
wrote:
> "Werehatrack" <raul...@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:j09m5450usq6isfcu247a4qns3ju281kct@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT), carlfo...@comcast.net may
> > have said:
>
> >>On Jun 18, 7:54 pm, Mike A Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo
>
> >>Dear Mike,
>
> >>Just cross-posting your link to the crash pictures to RBT, where the
> >>detailed photos of the damage may be appreciated.
>
> >>Cheers,
>
> >>Carl Fogel
>
> > When will people learn that if you're going to ride squirrel dicer
> > wheels, you need to sharpen the spokes properly?
>
> > --
> > My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
> > Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
> > Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.
>
> It that why bladed spokes were created?
>
> BobT

So ,That's why the hubless wheel was invented. for free flow of
squirrel traffic.

A Muzi

>>>> On Jun 18, 7:54 pm, Mike A Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo

>> Werehatrack wrote:
>>>> Just cross-posting your link to the crash pictures to RBT, where the
>>>> detailed photos of the damage may be appreciated.

>>Carl Fogel
>>> When will people learn that if you're going to ride squirrel dicer
>>> wheels, you need to sharpen the spokes properly?

> "Me" <user@whatchamcallit.net> wrote
>> Or, just get squirrel inhibitor(tm) wheels! With their closely-spaced
>> spokes, there isn't enough space for squirrels to get lodged! Low
>> spoke-count wheels such as these Mavic Krysiums seem designed to catch
>> squirrels and fling them up against the fork. Hmmm...wonder when some
>> sleazy lawyer will figure out that his new niche lies in suing
>> manufacturers of squirrel-catcher wheels when these crashes happen?

* * Chas wrote:
> It's all related to the carbon fiber composite fork and low spoke count
> wheel fad.
> A properly laced 48 spoke wheel with a strong steel fork would just
> decapitate the little suckers and the rider could continue on his way with
> nary a sensation that anything happened.

I'd like to see that - just not on my own bike!
In my experience you can't easily get a small animal wedged in a 36h
wheel. I haven't pursued this rigorously but at least two dogs (thirty
years apart) scuffed against a wheel without engaging my bike.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Tom Kunich

When I first starting riding off-road with a group I got off ahead and a
rabbit ran out of the bushes and between front and rear wheels somehow
missing the cranks. I told everyone and they laughed at me and told me it
was my imagination.

Two weeks later the whole group was riding together on road bikes near that
trail and I was slightly ahead when a rabbit ran out of the bushes, came
across the road and ran under my cranks again. This time EVERYONE saw it and
they stopped telling me I had imagined the previous encounter.

still just me

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:32:41 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:

>That said, I was simply trying to ascertain if there would be any benefit to
>breakaway parts, somewhat akin to designed-in crumple zones on cars. Could
>injury generally be lessened if a breakaway part was engineered so that you
>could have more of a sliding impact rather than a direct impact? <>


Note that the fork breaking is somewhat akin to the wheels and front
suspension falling off as a "crush zone" in an auto accident. I've
never seen that as an engineered solution :-)

Tom Kunich

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rp6r54hld1und08t7vrqkurkpadhid8inv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:32:41 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>That said, I was simply trying to ascertain if there would be any benefit
>>to
>>breakaway parts, somewhat akin to designed-in crumple zones on cars. Could
>>injury generally be lessened if a breakaway part was engineered so that
>>you
>>could have more of a sliding impact rather than a direct impact? <>
>
>
> Note that the fork breaking is somewhat akin to the wheels and front
> suspension falling off as a "crush zone" in an auto accident. I've
> never seen that as an engineered solution :-)

And I'm still recovering from the bones broken in my face from that front
fork failing instead of cutting my foot off. If it wasn't for that I
wouldn't have been too seriously injured in the capital wreck.

Chalo

Dan O wrote:
>
> > Mike A Schwab wrote:
> > >
> > >http://picasaweb.google.com/dbiked/...key=iOs1rM3MJzo
>
> Since, thankfully, "... he's now ok" I can say it: *Steel is real.

Let me add that high-spoke-count wheels are also real.

Chalo

Chalo

Brian Huntley wrote:
>
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> >
> > That said, I was simply trying to ascertain if there would be any benefit to
> > breakaway parts, somewhat akin to designed-in crumple zones on cars. Could
> > injury generally be lessened if a breakaway part was engineered so that you
> > could have more of a sliding impact rather than a direct impact?
>
> Perhaps something made of sacrificial foam, wrapped around one's
> head...

That's just for shipping. You can keep it in case you need to send
your head back to the manufacturer for service, but you should not use
it when the head is in operation. It can cause overheating.