Who had more will to win?

Howard Kveck

In article <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6ea0@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 20, 6:16*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1...@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> > *Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 20, 12:15*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
> >
> > > AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> > > accidents.
> >
> > * *I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the space of two
> > years. Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts
> > off the rear axle. I never figured that one out.
>
> The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.

Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressed into the block
at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head. Bad idea. I saw
one a few months ago - it was the first one I'd seen on the road in many years. On
the other hand, I see Pintos on the road every day. Not more than one a day, but
still, they're on the road because they're close to bullet proof. I'm not saying I'd
own one, mind you.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Paul G.

On Jun 20, 4:24*pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 6:13 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
> > > See? Creating your own reality is easy!
>
> > Rumsfeld and Cheney must have created that one while they were riding
> > their tandem.
>
> Is that what the kids are calling it now?
>
> Gee, Dad, of course I wasn't rump rangering Bobby! *We were riding
> tandem.
>
> R

I think the correct terminology is "flying united":
http://tinyurl.com/63xs6y

That's Bush's father with a buff serviceman strapped to his ass. And
look at that big smile on Bush's face, you can tell he's in the throes
of ecstasy. It's heartwarming to see that special love between a an
older man and his younger "friend".

But of course that "orientation" runs in the family, as this photo
montage shows:
http://tinyurl.com/yo6sa6

Doesn't it make you proud to be an American when you see your
president hugging, kissing, and holding hands with Saudis not long
after 9/11?
-Paul

Paul G.

On Jun 20, 9:59*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups..com>,
> *Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 20, 6:16*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1...@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> > > *Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 20, 12:15*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
>
> > > > AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> > > > accidents.
>
> > > * *I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the spaceof two
> > > years. Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts
> > > off the rear axle. I never figured that one out.
>
> > The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.
>
> * *Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressed into the block
> at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head. Bad idea.

No, even worse- aluminum block, no sleeves, and a cast iron head:
"Vega engines become infamous for their lack of durability which was
often associated with their use of weight-saving aluminum cylinder
blocks with cast iron heads. These blocks did not have iron cylinder
sleeves. Instead, a wear surface was created on the aluminum cylinder
bores using the Nikasil coating process."

Very odd that they made the block aluminum, but not the head.
-Paul

Robert Chung

On Jun 21, 8:12*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 9:59*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > *Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 20, 6:16*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1...@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > *Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 20, 12:15*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
>
> > > > > AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> > > > > accidents.
>
> > > > * *I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the space of two
> > > > years. Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts
> > > > off the rear axle. I never figured that one out.
>
> > > The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.
>
> > * *Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressedinto the block
> > at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head. Bad idea.
>
> No, even worse- aluminum block, no sleeves, and a cast iron head:
> "Vega engines become infamous for their lack of durability which was
> often associated with their use of weight-saving aluminum cylinder
> blocks with cast iron heads. These blocks did not have iron cylinder
> sleeves. Instead, a wear surface was created on the aluminum cylinder
> bores using the Nikasil coating process."
>
> Very odd that they made the block aluminum, but not the head.
> -Paul

Oh, the Vega's engine was worse but, overall, across many categories
(handling, comfort, fit-and-finish, styling, and more) the Gremlin was
craptastic.

Howard Kveck

In article <66546e9c-bd56-496a-8a15-0238790a037b@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Jun 20, 9:59*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > *Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.
> >
> > * *Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressed into
> > the block at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head.
> > Bad idea.
>
> No, even worse- aluminum block, no sleeves, and a cast iron head:
> "Vega engines become infamous for their lack of durability which was
> often associated with their use of weight-saving aluminum cylinder
> blocks with cast iron heads. These blocks did not have iron cylinder
> sleeves. Instead, a wear surface was created on the aluminum cylinder
> bores using the Nikasil coating process."
>
> Very odd that they made the block aluminum, but not the head.

Oh, you're right. I forgot that the cylinders were part of the block and the
reason the tops were floating: the blocks were die cast. They couldn't put a deck on
it because of that. The cast iron head was another contributor to the problems, as it
had a different rate of expansion than the block. These two things allowed the
cylinders to move around enough to wreck the head gasket and cause leaks. The lack of
a low coolant level sensor didn't help matters much either. The head on the Cosworth
version of the Vega did have an aluminum head and was pretty cool.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Bob Schwartz

Howard Kveck wrote:
> On the other hand, I see Pintos on the road every day. Not more than one a day, but
> still, they're on the road because they're close to bullet proof. I'm not saying I'd
> own one, mind you.

There are people that own Weinmann Concave rims and think
they're great because they're bullet proof.

Bob Schwartz

RicodJour

On Jun 22, 3:52 pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
wrote:
>
> There are people that own Weinmann Concave rims and think
> they're great because they're bullet proof.

You're such a pragmatist, Ruppert. I'm sure that you wouldn't
hesitate to take your dog outside and shoot him at the first sign of
aging. I'm emotionally attached to the rim, what can I say? I've
named my _one_ Weinmann Concave rim after you - Schwartz Kitzler. ~

R

Howard Kveck

In article <s4y7k.8677$ZE5.1031@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVE.global.net> wrote:

> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > On the other hand, I see Pintos on the road every day. Not more than one a
> > day, but
> > still, they're on the road because they're close to bullet proof. I'm not
> > saying I'd
> > own one, mind you.
>
> There are people that own Weinmann Concave rims and think
> they're great because they're bullet proof.

I imagine there are a few freakazoids who think that Pintos are great but the
majority of those driving them do so because of circumstances beyond their control,
like being dirt poor and needing a car that starts every day.

I offer no such rationale for Weinmann Concave owners...

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?