Another scary crash video

Paul G.

On Jun 23, 7:07*am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 23, 3:18*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
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> > On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:55:44 -0700, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net>
> > wrote:
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> > >In article <h03t5456tdkhon97aame6aigvigh2dn...@4ax.com>,
> > > John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
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> > >> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:24:42 -0700 (PDT), Scott
> > >> <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> >On Jun 22, 9:11*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Scott
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> > >> >> <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >I've never spoken to another racer who understood
> > >> >> >that a bicycle has a natural tendency to upright itself and go
> > >> >> >straight when applying front brake forces. *Lot's of folks maydo it
> > >> >> >intuitively, but aside from the folks who've written the articles
> > >> >> >which I've read on the matter, I haven't found anyone who was aware or
> > >> >> >or understood the physics behind the phenomenon.
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> > >> >> So what? *Good riders know if they hit the braks the bike goes up, so
> > >> >> they try not to do it mid-turn. *They dont' udnerstand the physics -
> > >> >> so what?
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> > >> >> Well, I guess you're smarter and better read than most. *Congrats.
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> > >> >Help me out here, why are you so argumentative this morning?
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> > >> People bragging about how they know stuff that others don't annoys me.
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> > >> >FWIW, if you were to take a poll on your next group ride, I think
> > >> >you'd be very surprised how few riders, or racers for that matter,
> > >> >know anything at all about how trail is determined,
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> > >> Who cares? I don't. I know if I hit the brakes when leaned over hard
> > >> in a corner I'll either slide out or the bike will jerk upright.
> > >> That's enough. *Good racers know that.
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> > >Does Schleck know that? Or did Schleck spill for some
> > >reason other than what Scott says?
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> > You're playing both sides. *On the one hand you say you're not
> > bragging, you're only saying you're one of the few people who
> > understand on a conceptual or theoretical level the problem.
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> > And on the other hand there's youre comment above, which suggests mor
> > than that.
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> > And yes, Schleck knows that. *Doesn't mean he can't make a mistake.- Hide quoted text -
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> Merely stating that I've never spoken with anyone who was aware of the
> WHY behind a bike behaving the way it does when you apply the front
> brake while turning is not in any way bragging. *If I'd called you a
> dumbass first, then maybe. *But I didn't. *I merely stated the fact
> that of all the people I've spoken with (not many, mind you...
> steering geometry and braking while turning rarely comes up in polite
> conversation) none were aware that the steering geometry of the bike
> influenced it's behaviour while braking or that the solution is to
> apply more down-force on the inside bar before starting to brake.
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> And, how can you be so sure that Schleck knows anything at all about
> trail and braking? *He might, but then again, he might not.

I've been braking thru corners for many years. When I do, I'm using
both brakes and therefore gripping my bars. The bike does exactly what
I want it to do, (the technical term for this is "bike handling") and
I don't have to think about it. If it suddenly "uprighted itself" when
I braked while cornering I'd have been killed long ago.

So what you're saying has no relevance to my cycling experience. I'm
going to automatically do whatever is necessary to cut a smooth arc
thru the turn. I'm not going to be thinking about "putting a bit more
force into the inside handlebar", I'm strictly focused on cutting that
arc, hitting the apex of the turn, and if I'm lucky and Munro isn't
blocking the view, the ass on that hot chick.
-Paul