*Two* cyclists on Letterman last night

Bob Schwartz

RicodJour wrote:
> On Jun 19, 9:03 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote:
>>> On Jun 18, 10:35 pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> RicodJour wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 18, 8:08 pm, 2bowl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Clinchers back then sucked. My dad made the early jump to wired-ons
>>>>>> and rode 27" Weinman concaves with Avocet hubs for a long time. Those
>>>>>> wheels were bulletproof, we even used them on our tandem with no
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>> That brings back memories of the front wheel I rode across country on
>>>>> in 1980. It's still on that same bike and I still ride it. It's
>>>>> going to take some Kryptonite or a silver bullet to kill that thing.
>>>> I had a pair of those. If I hadn't thrown them out because they
>>>> sucked I'm sure they'd still be good today.
>>> I'm sure you get asked this a lot, but define what you mean by suck.
>> If you built a wheel out of a manhole cover it would
>> be bulletproof. And it would suck.
>
> Another thing sucks - your logic. Yes, there's a weight penalty, but
> that's not the sole criteria. If someone did make a wheel out of a
> manhole cover, and I rode over the gaping hole, I know that my Kal-El
> rim wouldn't be harmed.

Most people would address that by not riding over
the hole.

Bob Schwartz

RicodJour

On Jun 19, 9:58 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 9:03 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote:
> >>> On Jun 18, 10:35 pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> RicodJour wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 18, 8:08 pm, 2bowl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Clinchers back then sucked. My dad made the early jump to wired-ons
> >>>>>> and rode 27" Weinman concaves with Avocet hubs for a long time. Those
> >>>>>> wheels were bulletproof, we even used them on our tandem with no
> >>>>>> problems.
> >>>>> That brings back memories of the front wheel I rode across country on
> >>>>> in 1980. It's still on that same bike and I still ride it. It's
> >>>>> going to take some Kryptonite or a silver bullet to kill that thing.
> >>>> I had a pair of those. If I hadn't thrown them out because they
> >>>> sucked I'm sure they'd still be good today.
> >>> I'm sure you get asked this a lot, but define what you mean by suck.
> >> If you built a wheel out of a manhole cover it would
> >> be bulletproof. And it would suck.
>
> > Another thing sucks - your logic. Yes, there's a weight penalty, but
> > that's not the sole criteria. If someone did make a wheel out of a
> > manhole cover, and I rode over the gaping hole, I know that my Kal-El
> > rim wouldn't be harmed.
>
> Most people would address that by not riding over
> the hole.

How else could I test rim strength?

R

Bob Schwartz

RicodJour wrote:
> How else could I test rim strength?

If you did wreck one, Weinmann Concave rims are still
available:

http://www.sjscycles.com/store/item4454.htm

also

http://www.melpintoimports.com/rims...incher700c.html

Yes, they are too heavy. But everything is a compromise,
and to make up for the weight they have the advantage of
being slow, ugly, and difficult to clean.

If you are retro enough to require a 27" rim I think you
may be SOL.

Bob Schwartz

RicodJour

On Jun 19, 10:38 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > How else could I test rim strength?
>
> If you did wreck one, Weinmann Concave rims are still
> available:
>
> http://www.sjscycles.com/store/item4454.htm
>
> also
>
> http://www.melpintoimports.com/rims...incher700c.html
>
> Yes, they are too heavy. But everything is a compromise,
> and to make up for the weight they have the advantage of
> being slow, ugly, and difficult to clean.

That bike is slow, I'm not exactly Brad Pitt, and honestly earned road
grime is a badge of honor. So I guess we're a good fit.

> If you are retro enough to require a 27" rim I think you
> may be SOL.

So I should hang on to it. Right. Thanks, Bob - will do.

R

Mike Jacoubowsky

> Maybe for you. Seemed like I had more issues with cords fraying on the
> Strada 66s than with the Criterium Setas. When I felt I needed something
> special, I'd spend the extra $3 or $4 for a Criterium Seta Extra. $18 for
> a
> tire???!!! Sigh.
>

>>$18 in 1977 is $62 in 2007 when adjusted for
>>CPI inflation. You used to be able to buy a
>>candy bar for a quarter, too.
>>
>>Ben

Which means the price of tubulars has increased well beyond the rate of
inflation, at least for the high-end versions. Standard machine-made clincer
road tires are fast approaching $60 each these days.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
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On Jun 18, 10:09 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> <thefro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:62461674-43b6-4400-bdcf-cac92e7dfd6a@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> | On Jun 18, 6:08 pm, 2bowl...@gmail.com wrote:
> | > On Jun 18, 12:17 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> |
> | > Raced strada 66
> |
> | Yeah, 66s put those Setas to shame.
>
> Maybe for you. Seemed like I had more issues with cords fraying on the
> Strada 66s than with the Criterium Setas. When I felt I needed something
> special, I'd spend the extra $3 or $4 for a Criterium Seta Extra. $18 for
> a
> tire???!!! Sigh.
>

$18 in 1977 is $62 in 2007 when adjusted for
CPI inflation. You used to be able to buy a
candy bar for a quarter, too.

Ben

William R. Mattil

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

>
> Which means the price of tubulars has increased well beyond the rate of
> inflation, at least for the high-end versions. Standard machine-made clincer
> road tires are fast approaching $60 each these days.
>


So how much that pair of vintage, never glued, aged forever Paris
Roubaix tires be worth ? <g>

Yes .. I still have a bunch of Setas too but the aforementioned seemed
to be a terrific tire.

Bill

RicodJour

On Jun 19, 1:06 pm, "William R. Mattil" <wrmat...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > Which means the price of tubulars has increased well beyond the rate of
> > inflation, at least for the high-end versions. Standard machine-made clincer
> > road tires are fast approaching $60 each these days.
>
> So how much that pair of vintage, never glued, aged forever Paris
> Roubaix tires be worth ? <g>

Two bucks each including shipping. Do you take PayPal?

R

Mike Jacoubowsky

"William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>>
>> Which means the price of tubulars has increased well beyond the rate of
>> inflation, at least for the high-end versions. Standard machine-made
>> clincer road tires are fast approaching $60 each these days.
>>
>
>
> So how much that pair of vintage, never glued, aged forever Paris Roubaix
> tires be worth ? <g>
>
> Yes .. I still have a bunch of Setas too but the aforementioned seemed to
> be a terrific tire.
>
> Bill

Back in the day I was 6' and weighed 133lbs, I could ride Criterium Setas
just fine. The sprinters had to ride the Roubaixs (or get quite a few more
flats). RBR Masters Fatties would be riding Del Monsters, er, Del Mundos.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA