Pics of Campa 11 speed

A Muzi

-snip too many choices-
jim beam wrote:
> off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the
> moment? excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. what gives?

Not a current 2008 product. They don't sell Campagnolo FB-GranSport
hubs either!
Those venues concentrate on new current merchandise usually.
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A Muzi

>> Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote:
>>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
>>> Derk

> Scott Gordo <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
>> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
>> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
>> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
>> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
>> chains.
>> Sure, I don't have to buy....

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> As for Campagnolo being 'overshadowed' by Sram, I don't get this.
> Campagnolo does little to no OEM at any level, shimano does gobs. Many
> bikes that were spec'ed with shimano 105/ultegra/DA came out in 2008
> with Rival/Force/Red..who lost market share was shimano, not
> Campagnolo. In our little microcosm of a bike shop where we start with
> a frame, where we have all three shifter types on demo bikes, most
> still opt for Campagnolo(85%), followed by shimano, Zero so far for
> Sram this year.

Good overview, same here.
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen

On 2008-06-21 16:23:24 +0200, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> said:

> We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more
> than that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an
> important race?

actaully, my ideal cassette would have 12 cogs:
12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-26-29

I always seem to miss the 18t when riding 12-25

When i'm in alpine terrain i switch to 13-29 in order to have an lower
emergancy gear but then i miss my top gear on long decents while i
still miss the 18t cog on flat roads where i usually ride 50/16, 50/17
and 50/19.

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"Besides, if you can't get a decent kernal panic
or two in a month, what's the point of living?"

A Muzi

> Lou Holtman wrote:
>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on
>> complete bikes.

Derk wrote:
> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes
> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken).

Hell, even we 'offer' them. Unlike mailorder outfits we have built
ready-to-ride bikes. How are actual sales?
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Tom Kunich

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
news:485d7a8a$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
> On 2008-06-21 16:23:24 +0200, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> said:
>
>> We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than
>> that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important
>> race?
>
> actaully, my ideal cassette would have 12 cogs:
> 12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-26-29
>
> I always seem to miss the 18t when riding 12-25
>
> When i'm in alpine terrain i switch to 13-29 in order to have an lower
> emergancy gear but then i miss my top gear on long decents while i still
> miss the 18t cog on flat roads where i usually ride 50/16, 50/17 and
> 50/19.

Morten, you're a great deal more interested in speed than I am.

Lou Holtman

Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> On 2008-06-21 16:23:24 +0200, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> said:
>
>> We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more
>> than that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an
>> important race?
>
> actaully, my ideal cassette would have 12 cogs:
> 12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-26-29
>
> I always seem to miss the 18t when riding 12-25
>
> When i'm in alpine terrain i switch to 13-29 in order to have an lower
> emergancy gear but then i miss my top gear on long decents while i still
> miss the 18t cog on flat roads where i usually ride 50/16, 50/17 and
> 50/19.
>

Exactly the same here.

Lou

M-gineering

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:VLGdnZALZOqixcDVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>
>> so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh.
>
> OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers?
>
ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed.

--
/Marten

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Tom Kunich

"M-gineering" <ikmotgeenspam@m-gineering.nl> wrote in message
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:VLGdnZALZOqixcDVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>
>>> so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh.
>>
>> OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers?
>>
> ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed.

When did ST R600 become 105?

Qui si parla Campagnolo

On Jun 22, 7:16*am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "M-gineering" <ikmotgeens...@m-gineering.nl> wrote in message
>
> news:g3knl5$c8i$1@localhost.localdomain...
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> "jim beam" <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> >>news:VLGdnZALZOqixcDVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>
> >>> so don't buy campy! *plenty of 9-s shimano available. *duh.
>
> >> OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers?
>
> > ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed.
>
> When did ST R600 become 105?

Didn't. New shape, ala 7800 and 6600, 8 and 9s levers. No more DA,
ultegra or 105 9s levers being made. Those 3 are 10s, and 9s and 8s
relegated to lower end levers.

Qui si parla Campagnolo

On Jun 20, 11:21*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> *Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
>
> > slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> > And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
> > you
> > say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> -BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
> -spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
> -biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.
>
> They've tried, and gotten burned. Campy isn't set up to supply modern
> factories on a just-in-time schedule. My guess is that Campy likes things
> just the way they are, or they'd change. It's kinda cool they still work
> that way, actually. Otherwise they'd just be another Shimano. For Campy to
> adopt modern manufacturing methodologies would probably require that
> everything get done in Japan, Taiwan or China, just like everyone else. Is
> that really what you want? If Campy gave in to the demands of Trek or
> Specialized, my guess is that that's what would happen.
>
> --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in messagenews:e25f79b9-8967-4ad5-8131-05f5bc5095e5@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 10:53 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:73949e57-f366-4fef-9bbe-0c01e9e6932f@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:>
> > "Derk" <nob...@invalid.org> wrote in message
>
> > >news:4858cb30$0$14344$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> > > |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
> > > |
> > > | Derk
>
> > > Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>
> > > It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>
> > > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > ===============
> > 'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
> > about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
> > will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
> > Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
> > the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
> > well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
> > heart deals with shimano and sram.
> > ===============
>
> > Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
> > slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> > And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
> > you
> > say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
> spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
> biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.

Not eveything has to be on a thousands and thousands of units basis.
It wouldn't be a stretch to have a madone or whatever
specializedhighend frame come with SuperRecord/Record or Chorus.
Special order, trundle on down to your local trek store and order it
up, to be assembled at the factory. Kinda like ordering a specific
Porsche or Audi, wait 6 weeks and there it is. Or going to my local
jewelry store, and ordering a Rolex, even tho all they have in the
store are Citizens, Seikos, and the like. Dollars talk, sweatheart
deals from sram and shimano make spec-ing many, many bikes with those
components worthwhile. You can't tell me is just isn't possible from
Waterloos or Vincenza's perspective. BUT I would say Trek is as
concerned about the bottom line as they are NOT about a small
percentage of those who want a trek but want Campagnolo.

Qui si parla Campagnolo

On Jun 20, 11:33*pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > *Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look atthose
> >> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> >> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
> >> you
> >> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate..
>
> >> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > -BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
> > -spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
> > -biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.
>
> > They've tried, and gotten burned. Campy isn't set up to supply modern
> > factories on a just-in-time schedule. My guess is that Campy likes things
> > just the way they are, or they'd change. It's kinda cool they still work
> > that way, actually. Otherwise they'd just be another Shimano. For Campyto
> > adopt modern manufacturing methodologies would probably require that
> > everything get done in Japan, Taiwan or China, just like everyone else.Is
> > that really what you want? If Campy gave in to the demands of Trek or
> > Specialized, my guess is that that's what would happen.
>
> > --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the
> moment? *excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. *what gives?
>
>
Pretty simple, Campagnolo stopped making Centaur with aluminum axle
and Chorus hubs in 2006. Hubset chopices for 2007/8 are the Black
Record, Centaur with cart bearings and steel axle(acxtually relabeled
Veloce hubs), Veloce...

jim beam

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On Jun 22, 7:16�am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "M-gineering" <ikmotgeens...@m-gineering.nl> wrote in message
>>
>> news:g3knl5$c8i$1@localhost.localdomain...
>>
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:VLGdnZALZOqixcDVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>> so don't buy campy! �plenty of 9-s shimano available. �duh.
>>>> OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers?
>>> ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed.
>> When did ST R600 become 105?
>
> Didn't. New shape, ala 7800 and 6600, 8 and 9s levers. No more DA,
> ultegra or 105 9s levers being made. Those 3 are 10s, and 9s and 8s
> relegated to lower end levers.

he already knew that - he just wanted to pick a fight.

Lou Holtman

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "M-gineering" <ikmotgeenspam@m-gineering.nl> wrote in message
> news:g3knl5$c8i$1@localhost.localdomain...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:VLGdnZALZOqixcDVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>
>>>> so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh.
>>>
>>> OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers?
>>>
>> ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed.
>
> When did ST R600 become 105?
>


The point is if you want to keep riding 9 speed you still can with good
quality components.

Lou

Tom Kunich

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 7:16 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > When did ST R600 become 105?
>
> Didn't. New shape, ala 7800 and 6600, 8 and 9s levers. No more DA,
> ultegra or 105 9s levers being made. Those 3 are 10s, and 9s and 8s
> relegated to lower end levers.

That was my point Peter. I'm trying to argue that there is a good market for
quality 9-speed stuff still and perhaps that market is significantly larger
than for 10 or 11 speed stuff.

I think that we're all getting damned tired of the idea that more speed
equals better.