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21-06.-2008, 09:32 PM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On Jun 20, 3:20 pm, Scott Gordo <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote: >> >>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo... >>> Derk >> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but >> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while >> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody >> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM >> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive >> chains. >> >> Sure, I don't have to buy.... > > As for Campagnolo being 'overshadowed' by Sram, I don't get this. > Campagnolo does little to no OEM at any level, shimano does gobs. Many > bikes that were spec'ed with shimano 105/ultegra/DA came out in 2008 > with Rival/Force/Red..who lost market share was shimano, not > Campagnolo. In our little microcosm of a bike shop where we start with > a frame, where we have all three shifter types on demo bikes, most > still opt for Campagnolo(85%), followed by shimano, Zero so far for > Sram this year. Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on complete bikes. Lou |
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21-06.-2008, 10:48 PM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Lou Holtman wrote:
> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on > complete bikes. In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken). Derk |
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21-06.-2008, 10:53 PM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Derk wrote:
> Lou Holtman wrote: > >> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on >> complete bikes. > In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes > (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken). > > Derk Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano. Lou |
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21-06.-2008, 11:23 PM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
"Lou Holtman" <lholditniet@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:485d07ca$1_3@news4us.nl... > Derk wrote: >> Lou Holtman wrote: >> >>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, even on >>> complete bikes. >> >> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes >> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken). > > Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most > people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano. At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds? We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important race? |
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21-06.-2008, 11:55 PM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
A R:nen wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> writes: > >> off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the >> moment? excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. what gives? > > Uh, maybe it's because Campy stopped making them about two years ago? thank you - i didn't know that. but, uh, maybe that's why i asked? > (This year hubs are available in Record, Centaur and Mirage only, and > I guess next year Mirage will be gone along with the rest of the gruppo.) |
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21-06.-2008, 11:57 PM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Tom Kunich wrote:
> > At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the > numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds? > > We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than > that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important > race? > I/m sure loads of Juniors will line up for a 25-23-21-19-17-16-15-14-14-14-14 cassette  -- /Marten info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl |
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22-06.-2008, 12:03 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Lou Holtman" <lholditniet@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:485d07ca$1_3@news4us.nl... >> Derk wrote: >>> Lou Holtman wrote: >>> >>>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, >>>> even on >>>> complete bikes. >>> >>> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes >>> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken). >> >> Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most >> people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano. > > At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the > numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds? so vote with your freakin' wallet!!! "money" has a magical effect on most forms of commercial enterprise. and campagnolo was one, last time i looked. > > We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than > that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important > race? quack quack quack. fortunately, [i'm very confident in assuming,] you don't any significant influence on this kind of thing, so i think the rest of the market place can decide the future without you. |
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22-06.-2008, 01:22 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Lou Holtman" <lholditniet@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:485d07ca$1_3@news4us.nl... >> Derk wrote: >>> Lou Holtman wrote: >>> >>>> Also on this side of the pond SRAM is a non issue on road bikes, >>>> even on >>>> complete bikes. >>> >>> In Germany the big mail order companies offer SRAM groups on their bikes >>> (Rose, Canyon if I'm not mistaken). >> >> Yes, they OFFER it but I have not see anybody actually buying it. Most >> people choose 'mainstream' AKA Shimano. > > At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the > numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds? > > We had reached the practical limit at 9 speeds. Of what use is more than > that unless you are in a peculiar terrain in the middle of an important > race? > Where are you afraid of Tom? Stop worrying for me, I'm a big boy now. Lou |
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22-06.-2008, 02:14 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
On Jun 20, 5:20 pm, Scott Gordo <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote: > > >http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo... > > > Derk > > I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but > anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while > 10 speed is fiddly? On a folding bike, I've found that even 9 speed is fiddly. It takes a while to settle down after unfolding, and is never completely reliable regarding "one click = one shift." - Frank Krygowski |
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22-06.-2008, 03:04 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Scott Gordo wrote:
> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote: >> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo... >> >> Derk > > I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but > anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while > 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody > certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM > lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive > chains. opposite really, I find 10 sp is easier to set up than 9-sp -- /Marten info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl |
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22-06.-2008, 04:00 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:PNGdnbJDUOK0hcDVnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net... > Tom Kunich wrote: >> >> At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when the >> numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds? > > so vote with your freakin' wallet!!! "money" has a magical effect on most > forms of commercial enterprise. and campagnolo was one, last time i > looked. Fine - have you noticed that they aren't making 9-speeds in the upper level equipment any more? Maybe that's because if you can't get 9-speeds you'll HAVE to buy the 10 and then the 11 etc.? |
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22-06.-2008, 04:36 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Tom Kunich wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:PNGdnbJDUOK0hcDVnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net... >> Tom Kunich wrote: >>> >>> At what point do the buyers say, "This is getting ridiculous" when >>> the numbers of speeds continue to grow? 11 speeds? >> >> so vote with your freakin' wallet!!! "money" has a magical effect on >> most forms of commercial enterprise. and campagnolo was one, last >> time i looked. > > Fine - have you noticed that they aren't making 9-speeds in the upper > level equipment any more? Maybe that's because if you can't get 9-speeds > you'll HAVE to buy the 10 and then the 11 etc.? > so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh. |
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22-06.-2008, 04:45 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:VLGdnZALZOqixcDVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@speakeasy.net... > > so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh. OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers? |
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22-06.-2008, 04:48 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
Tom Kunich wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:VLGdnZALZOqixcDVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@speakeasy.net... >> >> so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh. > > OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers? > same place you don't buy campy 10 or 11 speed shifters? idiot. |
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22-06.-2008, 04:59 AM
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Re: Pics of Campa 11 speed
M-gineering wrote:
> Scott Gordo wrote: >> On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote: >>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo... >>> >>> Derk >> >> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but >> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while >> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody >> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM >> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive >> chains. > > opposite really, I find 10 sp is easier to set up than 9-sp I put together a new roadbike today. It took me 15-30 minutes to set up and tune the 10 speed Campy gearing and I expect it stays tuned for a long time like my other 10 speed Campy bikes. Lou |
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