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OT: Oil Profits

 
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Old 15-06.-2008, 12:50 PM   #16
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:13:14 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
com> wrote:

>> I'm hoping we discover what "balance budget" and "paying off your
>> debts by making some hard decisions" means.

>
>Psst - Obama has already talked about what he was going to do and it will
>cost 3 TRILLION dollars more than the income from taxes. Have a great day.


Hmmm... nearly matches the deficit that GWB has run up.

>> We can't afford the trillion $, no limits, deficit spending of the
>> neo-cons. It's bankrupting us.

>
>But you can afford the multi-trillion dollar deficits of a man who wrote in
>his book: "I stand with the Muslims."


For the record, I don't like Obama very much.

As for Muslims, I have no issues with any group of people based on
national origin, race, or religion. I do have a problem with
terrorists. If Obama was standing with the terrorists, I'd have an
issue with that.

BTW - does it bother you when McCain and GWB stand with the
Christians? Or are you a complete hypocrite as I expect?

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Old 15-06.-2008, 01:23 PM   #17
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"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rg0954151rqbnv69p5mejs67f24bnomm00@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:13:14 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
> com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm hoping we discover what "balance budget" and "paying off your
>>> debts by making some hard decisions" means.

>>
>>Psst - Obama has already talked about what he was going to do and it will
>>cost 3 TRILLION dollars more than the income from taxes. Have a great day.

>
> Hmmm... nearly matches the deficit that GWB has run up.


I'm not suggesting that Bush II has been a great President. In fact he's
been so Liberal that we may not recover in my lifetime. But he did do the
right thing invading Iraq in my opinion. Too bad he almost screwed the pooch
after the great win. However, history will record that as a turning point in
an area of the world that was about to go absolutely crazy drunk with oil
power.

>>> We can't afford the trillion $, no limits, deficit spending of the
>>> neo-cons. It's bankrupting us.

>>
>>But you can afford the multi-trillion dollar deficits of a man who wrote
>>in
>>his book: "I stand with the Muslims."

>
> For the record, I don't like Obama very much.


For the record I detest McCain. To tell you the truth I think that this
country is in deep trouble no matter who gets elected this time. Imagine a
wildly Liberal Congress and a Socialist almost to the point of Marxist Obama
or a Super Liberal McCain?

The only real disagreement those two have is in staying in Iraq for the long
term or handing it over to the Muslim Extremists.

> As for Muslims, I have no issues with any group of people based on
> national origin, race, or religion. I do have a problem with
> terrorists. If Obama was standing with the terrorists, I'd have an
> issue with that.
>
> BTW - does it bother you when McCain and GWB stand with the
> Christians? Or are you a complete hypocrite as I expect?


Tell me - have the Christians murdered thousands of Muslims in the last
couple of hundred years simply because they were Muslims?

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Old 18-06.-2008, 08:04 AM   #18
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:23:47 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
com> wrote:

>I'm not suggesting that Bush II has been a great President. In fact he's
>been so Liberal that we may not recover in my lifetime.


Liberal? He hasn't been a liberal. Neither is he a conservative. He's
a puppet for the neo-cons who value dollars over country. The don't
care much about principles, only dollars.

>But he did do the
>right thing invading Iraq in my opinion. Too bad he almost screwed the pooch
>after the great win. However, history will record that as a turning point in
>an area of the world that was about to go absolutely crazy drunk with oil
>power.


You're wrong. There was no Constitutional basis for it.

As for the oil... it's helped out only the (new) vendors who now get
to disperse the oil as opposed to the vendors Sadaam was working with
or planning to work with. See a document from the Cheney Energy Policy
secret meetings entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil" for more
information.

>For the record I detest McCain. To tell you the truth I think that this
>country is in deep trouble no matter who gets elected this time. Imagine a
>wildly Liberal Congress and a Socialist almost to the point of Marxist Obama
>or a Super Liberal McCain?


The Democrats are apparently going to continue to nominate ideological
fringe candidates and will never have a practical approach. The
Republican party is now owned by the neo-cons who don't give two hoots
about the country as long as they fill their pockets.

>The only real disagreement those two have is in staying in Iraq for the long
>term or handing it over to the Muslim Extremists.


The extremists who were a danger to us weren't a problem until GWB
went in.

>Tell me - have the Christians murdered thousands of Muslims in the last
>couple of hundred years simply because they were Muslims?


Muslims haven't murdered Christians. Terrorists have murdered
Christians. And Jews. And other Muslims.

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Old 18-06.-2008, 08:28 AM   #19
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"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:23:47 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
> com> wrote:
>
>>I'm not suggesting that Bush II has been a great President. In fact he's
>>been so Liberal that we may not recover in my lifetime.

>
> Liberal? He hasn't been a liberal. Neither is he a conservative. He's
> a puppet for the neo-cons who value dollars over country. The don't
> care much about principles, only dollars.


I suggest that fools should remain silent. How is it that in a country where
nothing can be kept secret you're telling us that there are secrets? Man!
What a dork.

> As for the oil... it's helped out only the (new) vendors who now get
> to disperse the oil as opposed to the vendors Sadaam was working with
> or planning to work with. See a document from the Cheney Energy Policy
> secret meetings entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil" for more
> information.


Ahh, yes, the old "someone other than me is getting rich" excuse. I'm always
amused at how much people like you know.

> The Democrats are apparently going to continue to nominate ideological
> fringe candidates and will never have a practical approach. The
> Republican party is now owned by the neo-cons who don't give two hoots
> about the country as long as they fill their pockets.


And you believe that the Democrats are ideological idiots? I suggest you
read your own writings sometime.

>>The only real disagreement those two have is in staying in Iraq for the
>>long
>>term or handing it over to the Muslim Extremists.

>
> The extremists who were a danger to us weren't a problem until GWB
> went in.


Maybe you missed a couple of buildings in New York.

>>Tell me - have the Christians murdered thousands of Muslims in the last
>>couple of hundred years simply because they were Muslims?

>
> Muslims haven't murdered Christians. Terrorists have murdered
> Christians. And Jews. And other Muslims.


I hate to point this out to you but it wasn't "terrorists" but Muslim
extremists. Maybe you believe that "terrorists" will commit suicide for
their cause but the fact is that only real religious extremists are likely
to do that.

Most Muslims are no worse than anyone else but the fact remains that they
themselves are frightened silly of the 10% extremist branch of their own
religion. So frightened that they won't even mention it even when they know
that these extremists are going to commit gross acts of sacrilege to their
own religion.

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Old 19-06.-2008, 11:54 PM   #20
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:28:04 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
com> wrote:

>"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:cbcg54tcumf14j1tlc3178i402erpb6jr8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:23:47 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
>> com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not suggesting that Bush II has been a great President. In fact he's
>>>been so Liberal that we may not recover in my lifetime.

>>
>> Liberal? He hasn't been a liberal. Neither is he a conservative. He's
>> a puppet for the neo-cons who value dollars over country. The don't
>> care much about principles, only dollars.

>
>I suggest that fools should remain silent. How is it that in a country where
>nothing can be kept secret you're telling us that there are secrets? Man!
>What a dork.


Perhaps you trimmed too much there, but your response makes no sense
as a follow on to the quoted text. There's nothing about "secrets"
above.

>> As for the oil... it's helped out only the (new) vendors who now get
>> to disperse the oil as opposed to the vendors Sadaam was working with
>> or planning to work with. See a document from the Cheney Energy Policy
>> secret meetings entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil" for more
>> information.

>
>Ahh, yes, the old "someone other than me is getting rich" excuse. I'm always
>amused at how much people like you know.


I have no problem with people getting rich. I kind of enjoy the
process myself. It gives me time to trifle with brainwashed fools like
you in the newsgroups.

I do have a problem with the perversion of the US Government and the
Constitution and the spending of MY tax dollars for the personal
enrichment of a chosen and influential few. That's fascism, not
democracy.

>> The Democrats are apparently going to continue to nominate ideological
>> fringe candidates and will never have a practical approach. The
>> Republican party is now owned by the neo-cons who don't give two hoots
>> about the country as long as they fill their pockets.

>
>And you believe that the Democrats are ideological idiots? I suggest you
>read your own writings sometime.


Your head is so far up the butt of the neo-cons that you are incapable
of even reasoning at this point. I support some very liberal ideas as
well as some very conservative ideas. But, that runs counter to your
brainwashing. you're the stereotypical case of "when all you have is a
hammer, everything looks like a nail".

>>>The only real disagreement those two have is in staying in Iraq for the
>>>long
>>>term or handing it over to the Muslim Extremists.

>>
>> The extremists who were a danger to us weren't a problem until GWB
>> went in.

>
>Maybe you missed a couple of buildings in New York.


My statement was clearly a reference to Iraq. Perhaps you should
re-read what YOU posted. The FACT is that there was no terrorist
problem in Iraq until we invaded.

Also, if you'd pull your head out of that neo-con butt you have it
stuck in, you'll note that I strongly supported the invasion of
Afghanistan and have repeatedly commended GWB for his ability to draw
together an incredible international coalition. We were kicking
terrorist butt and had the entire world mobilized against terrorists.
It was the opportunity of the century.

However, since I am not an brainwashed mouth piece for the neo-cons
(like you) and incapable of rational consideration and thought (like
you), I was still able to recognize that Iraq was a mistake from the
time GWB started rattling his saber and has been the, or at least in
the top three, biggest foreign policy blunders in history.

>I hate to point this out to you but it wasn't "terrorists" but Muslim
>extremists. Maybe you believe that "terrorists" will commit suicide for
>their cause but the fact is that only real religious extremists are likely
>to do that.


You're playing foolish semantic games.

>Most Muslims are no worse than anyone else but the fact remains that they
>themselves are frightened silly of the 10% extremist branch of their own
>religion. So frightened that they won't even mention it even when they know
>that these extremists are going to commit gross acts of sacrilege to their
>own religion.


That still doesn't make discriminatory statements like your against
all Muslims valid.

The group that committed the largest act of terrorism on US soil
before 911 was a radical bunch of Christians. That doesn't make all
Christians terrorists.

You're acting as a clear bigot when you discriminate against all
Muslims in the way that you do.

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