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12-06.-2008, 06:39 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
In article <6bc3sfF38r1ldU1@mid.individual.net>, Peter Clinch wrote:
> >Jamie Andrew lost both legs below the knee from frostbite after a >climbing trip went pear shaped. He did a charity fundraiser last year >where he did a personal triathlon of iron Man distances in under 24 >hours (so a 112 mile bike ride in there, and he doesn't have any hands >any more either...) >http://www.jamieandrew.com/content/view/49/40/ > >He still climbs, and harder than me! cf paraplegic Karen Darke http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=543 She has also crossed the Karakorams on a handcycle. |
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12-06.-2008, 07:01 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
For my two pence. My Wife is (was) a dancer. Very fit and agile as you would expect. Cancer caught up with her last year and she can now just walk a few yards without resting. We used to cycle lots regularly to Richmond Park for tea and cake, now we use the car.
The point is that each situation is different. She can't cycle anymore but I still do. We don't like using the car but it gets us to where we want to go, when we go together. As lots of people here have said there are benefits available to disabled cyclists although I do admit there is a perception that "if you're disabled how could you ride a bike." Cars can be useful even if not desirable. Looking forward to troll replies. Quote:
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12-06.-2008, 07:14 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:13:13 +0100, Mark McNeill
<markonnewsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote: >Response to Alan Braggins >> >>Not long ago I saw someone with one leg riding a Brompton. >> > >> >What was the other leg riding? >> >> I've no idea - only the one attached to his body was in sight :-) >> (See also http://xkcd.com/191/ (though it's a bit unfair).) > > >Going ever-so-slightly OT, hitting RANDOM got me > >http://xkcd.com/346/ > > >which made me laugh till it hurt, which is pretty good going after only >one coffee. Is it just me that has no idea what this is about? -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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12-06.-2008, 09:11 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
In article <k6q1541a6toj4tk77do0ue0lbef4bolbcf@4ax.com>, Mark wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:13:13 +0100, Mark McNeill ><markonnewsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Going ever-so-slightly OT, hitting RANDOM got me >> >>http://xkcd.com/346/ >>which made me laugh till it hurt, which is pretty good going after only >>one coffee. > >Is it just me that has no idea what this is about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_C...Mentos_eruption |
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12-06.-2008, 09:35 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
On 11 Jun, 23:11, "Guy Ballantine" <nospamoliver-jo...@lineone.net>
wrote: > I'm not sure of why you want to discuss the differences of a disabled > cyclist or motorist and quote incorrect information. I am disabled, have a > Motability vehicle and ride a handcycle for exercise so I am a disabled > driver AND a disabled cyclist. > > In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas that a > wheelchair can go. Like where?unless you mean it being a unsafe to ride > around a small shop on you bicycle where a wheelchair would be more > manoeuvrable. > Railway stations and platforms. Pavements. Many pedestrianised areas, such as Trafalgar Square for example. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net 'Those who must get around on their own power have been redefined as underdeveloped outsiders'. Illich |
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12-06.-2008, 09:40 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
On 12 Jun, 07:58, JNugent <J...@NPPTG.com> wrote:
> Rob Morley wrote: > > "Guy Ballantine" <nospamoliver-jo...@lineone.net> wrote: > >> In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas > >> that a wheelchair can go. Like where? > > Pedestrianised shopping areas. > > True. > And more. > > And the interiors of shops and supermarkets. And the end of the row in a > theatre or cinema. And railway platforms (believe it or not, but someone > recently suggested that cyclists should be allowed to cycle along the > platforms!). And what if they can cycle but find walking extremely painful due to the extra weight on their leg joints which is otherwise avoided by a saddle? There are very long railways platforms around these days. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net 'Those who must get around on their own power have been redefined as underdeveloped outsiders'. Illich |
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12-06.-2008, 09:41 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
Terry Duckmanton said the following on 11/06/2008 18:03:
> A person with faulty legs would be perfectly capable of using a hand > powered trike. I must admit that someone with a dicky ticker would be > less able and would be better off with a car. A colleague at work who was found to have a dicky ticker was made to stop driving for a while... -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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12-06.-2008, 09:45 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
Nuxx Bar said the following on 11/06/2008 18:58:
> The trolls purport to > think it's fair that a disabled person who's caught driving safely at > 35 in a 30 four times in three years is banned. Have I misunderstood this? What you seem to be saying is that you think it's OK for someone to be caught and punished for exceeding the speed limit so long as they're disabled. Sounds to me like they've been treated in exactly the same way as an able-bodied person. -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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12-06.-2008, 09:48 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
Peter Clinch said the following on 12/06/2008 09:08:
> Jamie Andrew lost both legs below the knee from frostbite after a > climbing trip went pear shaped. He did a charity fundraiser last year > where he did a personal triathlon of iron Man distances in under 24 > hours (so a 112 mile bike ride in there, and he doesn't have any hands > any more either...) > http://www.jamieandrew.com/content/view/49/40/ That's rather sobering. Makes not riding a bike because of an aching knee look a bit pathetic! -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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12-06.-2008, 11:25 PM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
On 11 Jun, 16:59, JNugent <J...@NPPTG.com> wrote:
> Doug wrote: > > Not only are disabled cyclists not generally recognised as such and > > are banned from many areas where wheelchair users are allowed but they > > are also excluded from many of the benefits enjoyed by disabled > > motorists, such as the following. > > [snip] > > No, you're wrong. > > The fact that a particular person owned a bicycle would not prevent them > (if disabled) from being eligible for a car under the Motability scheme > (or whatever it's now called). > > So they'd be treated exactly the same as anyone else. > What if they didn't have a driving licence and didn't want to go through the rigmarole of getting one? Or, they had tried many times and failed? The point is this, a disabled driver can stick a wheelchair in the boot of their car and is free to go loads of places where disabled cyclists are not allowed and the driver can get financial benefits that are denied cyclists. -- Carfree Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling and public transport. |
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13-06.-2008, 12:12 AM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
> One Kevin Hickman has but one leg, yet has still managed an SR series on a > normal bike. *I met him on last year's Cheddar Gorge 300, where he proved > embarrassingly faster up hills with a single leg than I could manage with > two. 's obvious, innit. In a previous thread, it was 'proved' that everyone always maintains downwad pressure on both pedals. If you only have one leg, you're not having to waste energy pushing the other one up, so you can go faster! HTH TL |
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13-06.-2008, 12:54 AM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
Doug wrote:
> On 11 Jun, 16:59, JNugent <J...@NPPTG.com> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >>> Not only are disabled cyclists not generally recognised as such and >>> are banned from many areas where wheelchair users are allowed but >>> they are also excluded from many of the benefits enjoyed by disabled >>> motorists, such as the following. >> >> [snip] >> >> No, you're wrong. >> >> The fact that a particular person owned a bicycle would not prevent >> them (if disabled) from being eligible for a car under the >> Motability scheme (or whatever it's now called). >> >> So they'd be treated exactly the same as anyone else. >> > What if they didn't have a driving licence and didn't want to go > through the rigmarole of getting one? Or, they had tried many times > and failed? They can still get a Motability car and ask someone else to drive. Standard arrangement is that the car is covered for two other nominated drivers. I'm sure it could be extended to others if necessary. Much like an able bodied person who is unable/unwilling to drive is free to buy a car, tax and insure it, and then ask someone else to drive them around. The difference is that the disabled person gets benefits to help with their mobility, whereas the able bodied do not. (and quite rightly, that's one of the better uses for the taxes I pay). > The point is this, a disabled driver can stick a wheelchair in the > boot of their car and is free to go loads of places where disabled > cyclists are not allowed and the driver can get financial benefits > that are denied cyclists. The Motability scheme allows a person to convert their Higher Rate Mobility Component (HRMC) of the Disability Living Allowance into a leased car. The recipient of HRMC is not obliged to use their HRMC to get a car, instead they could spend it, for example, on taxi fares, or a cycle or pogo sticks. You seem to be arguing with a lack of basic research. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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13-06.-2008, 12:59 AM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
Quoting Dave Larrington <smert.spamionam@privacy.net>:
>One Kevin Hickman has but one leg, yet has still managed an SR series on a >normal bike. I met him on last year's Cheddar Gorge 300, where he proved >embarrassingly faster up hills with a single leg than I could manage with >two. Well, he's light for his height and build, but with the same cardiovascular system as two-legged people. -- David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Distortion Field! Today is Second Gloucesterday, June. |
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13-06.-2008, 01:16 AM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
Alan Braggins wrote:
> In article <k6q1541a6toj4tk77do0ue0lbef4bolbcf@4ax.com>, Mark wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:13:13 +0100, Mark McNeill >> <markonnewsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Going ever-so-slightly OT, hitting RANDOM got me >>> >>> http://xkcd.com/346/ >>> which made me laugh till it hurt, which is pretty good going after only >>> one coffee. >> Is it just me that has no idea what this is about? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_C...Mentos_eruption And a response to this, I think: http://webcomicssobad.blogspot.com/2007/11/xkcd.html -- Robin Johnson http://rdouglasjohnson.blogspot.com |
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13-06.-2008, 01:16 AM
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Re: Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
leandr42@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Jun 11, 5:26 pm, JNugent <J...@NPPTG.com> wrote: >> Ekul Namsob wrote: >>> JNugent <J...@NPPTG.com> wrote: >>>> But why would a *disabled* person want a VAT-free *bicycle* when they >>>> could get a car for almost nothing? >>> The last time I checked, the running costs of a bicycle were >>> significantly less than the running costs of a car. >> Yes, but there's the question of the disabled person being fit enough to >> ride a bicycle, which is more physically demanding than sitting at the >> wheel of a car. > Why should it follow that a disabled person is unfit? Quite right - good point. Read "fit" as "able". It seems to me that a lack of "able-bodiedness" which is sufficient to justify the handing out of a "free" car paid for by one's fellow citizens sort of implies that activities which require significant effort are beyond the normal capabilities of the recipient of that assistance. |
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