OT: Obama photo causes huge stir

Eric Vey

Bill Sornson wrote:
> What percentage of Americans saw or heard about this photo? 1%? Maybe 2%?
>
> Huge stir...right! LOL
>
>

More people every day.

http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyl...hat_bicycl.html

Don't knock Obama for wearing that bicycle helmet

Tell him you want more specifics on health care. Scold him for calling a
reporter "Sweetie." But when it comes to bicycle helmets, give Barack a
break.

Proving again that some bloggers will do anything to avoid turning off
their computers, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack
Obama was roasted on the Net this week for the outfit he wore when he
and his wife took their daughters for a bike ride along Lake Michigan.

His jeans weren't properly tailored. He wore the wrong shoes and the
wrong color socks. His helmet looked dorky.

I suppose in theory all that is arguable. I'm not sure it's the
standards by which we should measure a President, but then, democracy is
a system under which the most carefully considered vote can be canceled
30 seconds later by someone who thinks the other candidate has a better
butt.

I do know this, however. Whatever his culpability for the jeans, shoes
and socks, Barack cannot be blamed for the helmet.

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Tom Kunich

"Ron Ruff" <rruffrruff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e1518f8a-da68-4e2a-a147-7b33b3790edb@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> This is the point you keep missing... they don't own ANYTHING except a
> debt on something that is worth far less than they paid for it.

Tell me Ron, do you want to tell people who are buying a house and are still
ahead of the game that they were being screwed by buying a house for a
smaller down payment and longer payments?

>> Why do I have the idea that you own nothing?
>
> I own 16 acres of beautiful land at the moment... paved roads,
> utilities, etc... 8 miles from Ruidoso, NM. Just bought it last year
> for $79K... and I don't think it is worth less than I paid, since the
> frenzy didn't happen here... which is one big reason I moved here.

So let me see - you live in a place where you don't have to be rich in order
to own property and a home and you're telling ME that people who want to own
homes here shouldn't? Or, wait, that the hoops that they have to jump
through in order to own homes are too high?

Now it's time for you to pretend that you didn't manage to understand what I
originally wrote which was that the overwhelming majority of people who used
the lower down payments and longer loans are still ahead of the game if not
as much as they were.

Tom Kunich

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
news:c4dfbf92-27ba-4868-9528-983afd1abc76@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Be sure to let me know if Obama:
>
> *falls asleep in staff meetings and cabinet meetings
>
> *runs the deficit through the roof
>
> *can't tell the difference between an ex-president and a ball player
>
> *allows his wife to hire astrologers to help shape policy
>
> *presides over a constitution-bending escapade in the fashion of "Iran-
> Contra"

I notice that you're a great reader of those newspapers that you can see in
the checkout line at the grocery store. But I never thought that someone
that could actually write would believe any of that cock and bull.

Tom Kunich

"Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
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>
> Apparently you don't watch Fox enough.

Either that or you do nothing else.

Eric Vey

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Eric Vey wrote:
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:bc10315b-1ce4-4df8-af99-fb88e048af51@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Are you saying that Obama is the Dem version of Ronnie Raygun?
>>> My guess is that McCain vs. Obama will be very close MOSTLY because
>>> people will vote for the opposite candidate in order to prevent their
>>> own stupid candidate from getting into office.
>>>
>>> If Obama gets into office I fully intend to remind you of the stuff
>>> you wrote here after he has shown his stripes.
>>>
>> Why don't you be honest for a change? It will be close because all the
>> ex-Wallace voters joined the Republican party.
>
> You mean like Robert "KKK" Byrd? Or maybe Clinton's politcal mentor (and
> leading Segregationist), J. William Fulbright? (Just Google "The Southern
> Manifesto" if this is shocking news to you.) Or Confederate apologist Jim
> Webb?
>
> AFAIK, none of these bigots has turned Republican.
>
> HTH (BKIW)
>
>

Then who voted for Wallace? He did pretty well. Ten million people voted
for him. Do you think they were the same people that voted for McGovern
in '72?

Since you seem to have this huge memory loss concerning Reagan, I'll
help you out as to Wallace in '68.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

Wallace ran for President in the 1968 election as the American
Independent Party candidate. He hoped to force the House of
Representatives to decide the election by receiving enough electoral
votes, presumably giving him the role of a power broker. Wallace hoped
that southern states could use their clout to end federal efforts at
desegregation. His platform contained generous increases for
beneficiaries of Social Security and Medicare.

Nixon worried Wallace might steal enough votes to give the election to
the Democratic candidate, Vice President Hubert Humphrey. Some Democrats
feared Wallace's appeal to blue-collar workers and union members would
hurt Humphrey in Northern states like Ohio, New Jersey, and Michigan.
Wallace ran a "law and order" campaign similar to Nixon's.

Further information: Southern strategy

When Wallace pledged to run over any demonstrators who got in front of
his limousine and asserted the four letter words hippies did not know
were w-o-r-k and s-o-a-p, his rhetoric became famous. He accused
Humphrey and Nixon of wanting to radically desegregate the South.
Wallace said, "There's not a dime's worth of difference between the
Democrat and Republican Parties." His campaign was supported by the John
Birch Society.[citation needed]

While most of the media opposed Wallace, some southern newspapers
enthusiastically backed him. George W. Shannon (1914–1998) of the now
defunct Shreveport Journal, wrote countless editorials supporting the
third-party concept. Wallace repaid Shannon by appearing at Shannon's
retirement dinner.

While Wallace carried five Southern states and won almost ten million
popular votes, Nixon received 31 electoral votes more than needed to win
the election. Wallace remains the last non-Democrat, non-Republican
candidate to win any electoral votes. He was the first person since
Harry F. Byrd, an independent segregationist candidate in the 1960
presidential election. (John Hospers in 1972, Ronald Reagan in 1976,
Lloyd Bentsen in 1988 and John Edwards in 2004 all received one
electoral vote from dissenters, but none "won" these votes.) Wallace
also received the vote of one North Carolina elector who was pledged to
Nixon.

Many found Wallace an entertaining campaigner. To hippies who called him
a Nazi, he replied, "I was killing fascists when you punks were in
diapers." Another quote: "They're building a bridge over the Potomac for
all the white liberals fleeing to Virginia."

Eric Vey

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
> news:g2r496$f05$3@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> Apparently you don't watch Fox enough.
>
> Either that or you do nothing else.

Wonder if these guys will get the support like the swiftboat guys did?

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mccainpic.htm

John McCain, the second term Republican senator from Arizona and former
Navy pilot captured and held prisoner during the Vietnam War, is a
fraud, collaborator, and danger to the security of the United States.

McCain, who claims he was brutally tortured by the communist Vietnamese,
ironically emerged, as early as 1986, as Hanoi's leading advocate for
normalized relations with the United States.

McCain's high-profile and unrelenting support for a government that
brutally tortured and murdered his fellow POWs has caused POW/MIA family
members and fellow Vietnam veterans to question the senator and his
motivations.

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Eric Vey

Eric Vey wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:01:38 -0700 (PDT), Ozark Bicycle
>> <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Be sure to let me know if Obama:
>>
>>> *allows his wife to hire astrologers to help shape policy
>>
>> Well, maybe she won't do that, but she has said she wants to "kill
>> whitey" and "f2ck whitey." There's supposedly a video of this out
>> there and even the liberal media hasn't reported that Obama denies it.
>> So there you go.
>>
>> But I'm not a racist.
>
> Uhmm. When McCain was running in 2000, I heard from "very reliable
> sources" that he was never quite right in the head after his stay in
> Hanoi and that he had a secret black baby.
>
> The liberal media asked him about these things and he denied it, but we
> can't believe anything these liars say.
>
> So has he been miraculously cured from his mental problems and where has
> the baby gone?

Wait! The mental problem story is back! Here you go:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate connection:

Where is the liberal press when we need them?

Tom Kunich

"Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
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>
> McCain, who claims he was brutally tortured by the communist Vietnamese,
> ironically emerged, as early as 1986, as Hanoi's leading advocate for
> normalized relations with the United States.

Funny, I was in that war as well and I also thought that normalized
relations were better. And I didn't even have to be captured and tortured.

Tom Kunich

"Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
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>
> Then who voted for Wallace? He did pretty well. Ten million people voted
> for him. Do you think they were the same people that voted for McGovern in
> '72?

Psst - Wallace was a Democrat. When he couldn't be nominated for his party
he ran under the American Independent Party banner.

Be sure and use idiot sources to describe Wallace. No matter what his
personal feelings might have been, and
BTW those were never really clear, his actions demonstrated not that he
wanted and end to desegregation but rather and end to it "overnight" which
caused huge problems in the USA which we are just now getting over nearly 50
years later.

Oh, that's right - you think that we're still in the deepest realms of
slavery days.

Woland99

On Jun 10, 3:27 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
> This really is over the top.
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/was...obama-on-a.html
> In an article in today's New York Daily News, writer David Saltonstall
> shows no mercy, declaring: "It wasn't a pretty picture: ill-fitting
> jeans, a tucked-in golf shirt, black-and-white socks and a helmet that
> could make Michael Dukakis blush."

No offense but scolding people for wrong socks when they are just out
to
relax on their bike can only come from some Hollywood-gossip-obsessed
gay-fashion-police bottom feeding junk columnist that suffers from
serious
reality detachment. Who cares about a fashion statement on a bike?
Tire pressure is legit subject - perhaps it is affected by pulling a
trailer?

Eric Vey

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
> news:g2r88u$lfc$2@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> McCain, who claims he was brutally tortured by the communist
>> Vietnamese, ironically emerged, as early as 1986, as Hanoi's leading
>> advocate for normalized relations with the United States.
>
> Funny, I was in that war as well and I also thought that normalized
> relations were better. And I didn't even have to be captured and tortured.
>

Too lazy to click on the link?

"According to documentation obtained by the U.S. Veteran Dispatch, not
only did POW McCain promise to give the communists "military
information" in exchange for special hospital care not ordinarily
available to U.S. prisoners, but he also made numerous antiwar radio
broadcasts.

Article V of the Code of Conduct is very specific in declaring that U.S.
military personnel are required to avoid answering questions to the
utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements
disloyal to the United States and its allies or harmful to their cause.
Any violation of this code is considered collaborating with the enemy.

The following is McCain's own admission of collaboration in an article
he wrote, printed May 14, 1973 in U.S. News and World Report:

"I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two
guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to
show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the
size, shape and color of a football. I remembered that when I was a
flying instructor a fellow had ejected from his plane and broken his
thigh. He had gone into shock, the blood had pooled in his leg, and he
died, which came as quite a surprise to usa man dying of a broken leg.

Then I realized that a very similar thing was happening to me.

"When I saw it, I said to the guard, `O.K., get the officer.'

"An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to
know very well as `The Bug.' He was a psychotic torturer, one of the
worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, `O.K., I'll give you
military information if you will take me to the hospital.'"

McCain claims it was only a coincidence that, about the same time he was
begging to be taken to a hospital, the Vietnamese learned his father was
Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., commander of all U.S. forces in Europe and
soontobe commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific, including Vietnam.

McCain has admitted that he survived only because the Vietnamese learned
who his father was and rushed him to a hospital where his wounds were
eagerly treated. He has also conceded that the Vietnamese repeatedly
threatened to withhold much needed operations unless he would give them
information.

The former POW admitted in the U.S. News and World Report article that
the Vietnamese usually left other U.S. prisoners with similar wounds to
die, not wishing to waste medication on them. McCain pointed out "there
were hardly any amputees among the prisoners who came back because the
North Vietnamese just would not give medical treatment to someone who
was badly injured. They weren't going to waste their time."

The communists figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high
military rank, McCain was of royalty and the governing circle. They
bragged that they had captured "the crown prince" and treated him as a
"special prisoner."

Eric Vey

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
> news:g2r808$lfc$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> Then who voted for Wallace? He did pretty well. Ten million people
>> voted for him. Do you think they were the same people that voted for
>> McGovern in '72?
>
> Psst - Wallace was a Democrat. When he couldn't be nominated for his
> party he ran under the American Independent Party banner.


That's right! Gosh, you sure are smart! These days, all the Southern
states vote for Republican presidents.

Follow along now: Where did those 10 million voters go in the following
elections? You don't think they voted for (Gasp!) Nixon or Reagan, do
you? Since registered Republicans were a minority then, how did Nixon
and Reagan win?

Frank Krygowski

On Jun 12, 9:10 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Ron Ruff" <rruffrr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e1518f8a-da68-4e2a-a147-7b33b3790edb@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > This is the point you keep missing... they don't own ANYTHING except a
> > debt on something that is worth far less than they paid for it.
>
> Tell me Ron, do you want to tell people who are buying a house and are still
> ahead of the game that they were being screwed by buying a house for a
> smaller down payment and longer payments?

Tom, don't whitewash the speculative lending scams.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/138503

- Frank Krygowski

SMS

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Jun 11, 5:27 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:bc10315b-1ce4-4df8-af99-fb88e048af51@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
> <on Kunichs assertion that Obama is a puppet and a bumbling
> incompetent>
>>
>>> Are you saying that Obama is the Dem version of Ronnie Raygun?
> <snip>
>> If Obama gets into office I fully intend to remind you of the stuff you
>> wrote here after he has shown his stripes.
>
> Be sure to let me know if Obama:
>
> *falls asleep in staff meetings and cabinet meetings
>
> *runs the deficit through the roof
>
> *can't tell the difference between an ex-president and a ball player
>
> *allows his wife to hire astrologers to help shape policy
>
> *presides over a constitution-bending escapade in the fashion of "Iran-
> Contra"

Wait, are we still talking about Reagan? The Republicans were challenged
to produce a president worse than Reagan, and they were finally able to
deliver with W.